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Pogba4Now
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Thats just a few of them. 2 in then last 5 years. Tevez was never bought btw. He was just loaned. Otherwise, all the stars in our team have been developed by United. Vidic, Evra, Nani, Rooney, Ronaldo were hardly known before we bought them.
Whereas teams like Chelsea or Real Madrid rely on buying 2-3 stars every year, They cannot create any player of their own.
Whereas teams like Chelsea or Real Madrid rely on buying 2-3 stars every year, They cannot create any player of their own.
Pogba4Now
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Btw we are playing C*ty in the semis at Wembley. If we win (we will), then Stoke or Bolton in the final. Things are looking good. I think we can realistically win the double this season. UCL would be unrealistic. But I'll be happy even if we won just one of these 2. Also, we CANNOT let C*ty win the FA Cup.
Nady;3000509 said:
Evra and Rooney were hardly known? Perhaps to those who only look at scores in the papers and rarely follow football apart from their own club.
Evra was already a decent player during Monaco's run to the Champs League final in 04, if you followed the French League at the time, he was always mentioned as one of the talents in the Monaco squad.
Rooney like I said, was boy wonder back when he broke through Everton, in 02-04.
I can name plenty of other players like Blanc, Barthez, Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Veron, Ferdinand and many more who were already established internationals before they went to Utd. Even Saha was already Fulham's leading star when Utd bought him.
Same goes to Cantona for Leeds, who were Champions in 92'.
While its true you guys have been developing great talent over the past decade, you can't take credit for those that have already been successful.
Since you claim so strongly that we're incapable of producing stars,
I'll do the honour of listing out the talent our football team has produced for England during the course of our history, yes, we do have history.
Terry Venables, Bobby Tambling, Peter Bonetti, Ray Wilkins, John Terry, Graeme Le Saux, Chopper Harris, Peter Osgood, Kerry Dixon, Jimmy Greaves to name a few. You've probably never heard most of them but that doesn't mean they weren't stars.
Pogba4Now
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Zakov;3000581 said:
Sorry about the Rooney part. My bad. But I stand by the other players I mentioned.
As you mentioned, Evra was a "decent" player in Monaco but now he's considered one of the world's best LB. United developed him into one of the best. Same goes for Vidic.
Thats true but we do develop MOST of the players we have. If you look at our current squad, we have only 3 players that we bought who were already stars. Thats Berbatov, Ferdinand and Rooney. Sometimes you need to buy stars otherwise you'll end up like Arsenal.
lol thats a looonnng time ago. I was actually referring to recent years, not before the 2000s. Most of your current squad consists of stars who have been bought. The only 2 players you guys developed in the last 5 years are Terry and Lampard. Gudjohnsen and probably Glen Johnson as well but they are no longer at Chelsea.
I'm not saying buying stars is a bad thing. It isn't. But I think its better to develop your own players and instill the same mentality in them. Then your team will perform well no matter how bad your players are.
Take a look at Barca and Real Madrid for example. They both have the same quality of players overall, but Barcelona plays better as a team because their players have been training with the same mentality and culture and they can perform better together. Real Madrid on the other hand have different players coming from different backgrounds and different mentality. Their team chemistry is never gonna be as good as Barca.
Nady;3000516 said:
unlucky me this is gonna be one hell of a game unless Mancini parks the bus theres no tv channel that shows FA cup in my country........
By the way why quoted u is u can possibly win the treble also
Best Of Luck and if u dont win FA cup i would like to bolton do it. Owen Coyle is an awesome manager.Nady;3000593 said:
Decent but not hardly known as you stated before.
Nady;3000593 said:
If you mean by developing=buying and nurturing, we've done it with countless of players. You can put Cech, Robben, Drogba, Duff, Joe Cole, Gallas in to that category as well. Unless you discount those who reached a certain age. The players I mentioned above were able to realize their potential and reach their peak when playing for Chelsea(except Robben who's still doing well with Bayern), yes most of them were sold which I did disagreed with, but they were the ones who wanted to leave ala C.Ronaldo.
And about the players I listed, I thought you were talking about our youth development, which to me is still promising.
Nady;3000593 said:
So you're making a point about the current state of our teams then? We've only paid for one world class player in three years. And that's Torres. David Luiz/Ramires are hardly world stars currently but they cost us because we didn't want City to hijack our bids at the last moment, e.g - Robinho.
With Ramires and Luiz playing with us, who are competing for everything each year, with a world class training facility in Cobham and a respected coach like Carlo(who's done his mojo on Kaka, Sheva before), I can honestly see them developing into world class players like Nani, Vidic, etc.
Nady;3000593 said:
When Jose was here I thought he did a great job in transforming a group of potentials into winners. I'm sure that can be considered developing as well, as you claim with the likes of Evra, Vidic, etc.
But we had to deal with his going, and with Fergie still around we won't know whether Utd will face the same freefall we did when Fergie decides to call it quits. Barca had always put their philosophy first over success, which doesn't guarantee a continuous level of success, but they've been patient and its paying off. Madrid is the exact opposite.
Utd has always been successful under Fergie in recent times. The only thing with Utd as a club, as I mentioned above, that they haven't been tested with a new management that will be inevitable in the future.
Pogba4Now
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Zakov;3000629 said:Decent but not hardly known as you stated before.
If you mean by developing=buying and nurturing, we've done it with countless of players. You can put Cech, Robben, Drogba, Duff, Joe Cole, Gallas in to that category as well. Unless you discount those who reached a certain age. The players I mentioned above were able to realize their potential and reach their peak when playing for Chelsea(except Robben who's still doing well with Bayern), yes most of them were sold which I did disagreed with, but they were the ones who wanted to leave ala C.Ronaldo.
And about the players I listed, I thought you were talking about our youth development, which to me is still promising.
So you're making a point about the current state of our teams then? We've only paid for one world class player in three years. And that's Torres. David Luiz/Ramires are hardly world stars currently but they cost us because we didn't want City to hijack our bids at the last moment, e.g - Robinho.
With Ramires and Luiz playing with us, who are competing for everything each year, with a world class training facility in Cobham and a respected coach like Carlo(who's done his mojo on Kaka, Sheva before), I can honestly see them developing into world class players like Nani, Vidic, etc.
When Jose was here I thought he did a great job in transforming a group of potentials into winners. I'm sure that can be considered developing as well, as you claim with the likes of Evra, Vidic, etc.
But we had to deal with his going, and with Fergie still around we won't know whether Utd will face the same freefall we did when Fergie decides to call it quits. Barca had always put their philosophy first over success, which doesn't guarantee a continuous level of success, but they've been patient and its paying off. Madrid is the exact opposite.
Utd has always been successful under Fergie in recent times. The only thing with Utd as a club, as I mentioned above, that they haven't been tested with a new management that will be inevitable in the future.
Most of the players you mentioned were from the pre-abramovic era when your transfer policy was completely different. Things have changed drastically in the last 5 years. Gallas, Terry, Lampard were all from the pre-Abramovic era. Cech, Cole were already very good before joining Chelsea.
Since then, all you've done is sell all youngsters (e.g. Matic, C. Cole, G. Johnson) and bring in stars. You've sold a number of youngsters this season. Can't remember their names.
I think Jose did an excellent job but I'd give more credits to Ranieri. He's the one who constructed the backbone of Chelsea by developing Terry, Lampard into worldclass players.
Yeah I agree about the Fergie part. He's the reason of United's success. I'm worried about what will happen when he leaves. Ideally, I'd like someone who's worked under him to replace him. Someone who has been trained under him and developed the United attitude e.g. Neville or Giggs or Solskjaer. They lack experience though, obviously. Can't think of anyone TBH.
Pogba4Now
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Back on topic: I can't wait to see Valencia and Nani playing together again! I knew Nani wouldn't be back for long. With proper stitches, skin lacerations take 10-14 days to heal unlike bone breaks which take 2-3 months at least.
Btw, something funny I read:
I love those twins.
Btw, something funny I read:
I love those twins.
Manchester United-Olympique Marseille
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Recrero152
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Nani returns much quicker than I anticipated. As long as they aren't taking risks with him...
Despite Vidic being gone I think United has a good shot at this but they'll be going after a hungry Marseille who have nothing to lose. Worst possible opponent to meet.
Despite Vidic being gone I think United has a good shot at this but they'll be going after a hungry Marseille who have nothing to lose. Worst possible opponent to meet.
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