Leo to Brazil

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  1. tinytim

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    Firstly, as I highlit, yes, Leonardo screwed but he made his way back to Seleção and to the stand of a respectable player and citizen even though. That particular moment did not affect him and his career because everything that followed in his life proves so - he was a PSG, Kashima and Milan's dear boy. And he earned it. So, I don't belive he's nowhere lesser than Dunga as a player because of that particular mistake.

    About his childish attiude about captaincy - well, consider that back then, Luxemburgo was the coach. And Luxemburgo saved the best seats for his pupils and boyfriends - I meant the latter literally. Remember Muller? I'd ask to leave too, if I knew what he knows and saw what he saw.

    In terms of experience, of course, now, 4 years after Dunga is more experienced than Leonardo. But we're taking the context in consideration here, the choice of a new coach for a so called urgent fresh start for Brazil NT. And if we got this Leonardo and took him back in time in a DeLorean to 2006, he'd be more experienced than Dunga. That's what I'm talking about.

    And anyway, about the rest of what you stated - it's sad but it's true. But I'm not so hopeful and optmistic like you are. As brazilians, we're too unguarded or afraid to admit that our fountain of good players had been drying out by the years. Perahps we're still not certain about stating that because eventually a Dani Alves - who never made a career down here - would show up. Who knows, we silently think, someone out of Netherlands, Spain or Russia, who left Brazil when was still 13, 12 begin a shining path until 2014...But I'm too cold when it comes to that matter, the 'conception' of brazilian players.

    The new coach will have a hard time finding Seleção-worth players. Everybody here claims for Ganso and Neymar. But when you remember than Ganso kicked Ronaldo willfully - we're talking about the goddamn Ronaldo here - to 'show him he wasn't playing home, he was at Santos'', when you remember how arrogant that boy was; when you also remember that Neymar and his earrings, his self bloated talk in interviews...do you really believe we have options? You mentioned Dunga and his carachter, what about those?

    I blame it on CBF, big time. I know I might be stoned here, but when we had our traditional Brazilian Championship, not league, we had a whole team of great, promising, young or potential stars who showed what they were made of at the end of the playoffs. It was a weird, even disrespectful dispute format, but it was good for our football, specially for our NT. In almost every season end, specially the season before the Cup, it was like a NBA draft for the Seleção.

    Now, do you remember when it was the last time our League produced a single player, even a single one that you could point at and tell: 'this is going to be a 10 for our NT'? I do. It was Robinho. In 2002, the last year of playoffs. Since 2003, the league format start, Brazil, surprisingly - not for me - has no 'technical' strenght or 'technical' carachter to go beyond the quarter finals.

    It was a duty for a breaking star or an expensive player in a club back then, to create something in a playoff game - either to increase his team advantage (the draw advantage) or to turn the playoff in his team's favor. These obstacles were a routine, a final stage of graduation for our players, it was the moment when a brazilian player's football was forged, purified and received the seal of approval. What do we see now - we have brazilian players that stand static, helpless watching a France going 1-0 or a Ned going 2-1, and not having forces to change it. It has very little to do with who you have on the bench. It has to do with spirit. And that spirit was perfectioned brazilian style in our playoffs.

    When the players of a Brazil NT in a World Cup knew what was going on in Brazilian's Championship, and when the top players of the Championship eventually were called to be part of the NT, and they gave their best to show that they deserved to be in the starting 11, that moved the whole team. Those ones who took it for granted had to play and train better so they'd keep their places. That was the effect caused by the players forged and strongened by our playoff system. Fact. It made the whole team change, play better and seek for the results more determinedly.

    I think Leonardo can't change that back, CBF won't do it. But he has the capability to convince players to stay and others to come back, elevating the quality of our league and maybe, bringing some of that dispute, which led our players to become sharper and really brazilians, back.
     
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    Oh and I'd leave to Leonardo protesters a question...how experienced Guardiola was when he took over Barça?
     
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    You know there is an edit button so you don't have to double/triple post?
     
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    my bad...
     
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    Some of the old guard at Milan had too much influence on squad selection decisions. Gattuso over Flamini??? But whatever makes Brazil EPIC FAIL is good with me.
     
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    No comparison. Guardiola learned tactics under Cruyff and to a lesser extent Louis van Gaal, and implemented them VERY successfully with Barca B (again, I think it's fair to assume this was under the watchful eye and guidance of Johan Cruyff). Leonardo is nothing like that, and he proved that he's a novice at tactics this year at AC Milan. If you appoint Leonardo you're going to get a Maradona who can't even motivate as well. Absolutely stupid decision.
     
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    Guardiola also learn a lot from his calcio experience.
     
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    James blunt dude, the music..

    well, i wanna mean because Leonardo can be a great coach, but, just Milan? and Dunga, never was a coach... so, the same mistake...

    Leonardo? 2018 would be better..
     
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    The problem with internet forums is: people feel like saying stupid things shamelessly.
     
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    The fact his coach was an arsehole doesnt mean he was right in quitting the NT.

    The Seleção can't go back in time, neither can Milan. If both could, i'm sure they would. This WC also proved that the unexperienced managers get toasted big time when in face of defeat. You seriously think Leonardo would be able to handle the pressure after drawing an World Cup game in home soil?

    There are good and bad generations, as always. We still have good enough players, when you consider we had arguably the best goalkeeper in the World, the best right-back hands down (his substitute, Daniel Alves, being 2nd best), a former world-best in Kaká, one of the most reliable defenders in Lucio (ask Inter) and a good forward in Fabiano. Then you take the quality of the players we left out: Gaúcho, Ganso, Neymar (more on those two latter), Alex, Diego, Victor (the goalkeeper), Miranda (the defender), Fred, Pato, Marcelo. I could give you a very good starting eleven of our players who missed on this WC.

    Romário had orgies inside Maracanã right before or after matches. Denilson and Vampeta had sex with lotsa girls during the WC 2002. The list goes on. Kicking Ronaldo or showing arrogance in interviews is nothing compared to that. And as long as they play proper football, they can have all the sex and beer they want. Better than having a team full of professionals that can't win ****.

    Let's take Kaká as an example. According to himself, he's not into night clubs, he doesnt drink beer, probably did his GF once or twice (to have this children) and everyone says he's a model athlete. In the end of the day, he's not even 30 and he's on the twilight of his career, having a serious injury that cant heal. At 38, Romário was more fit than him, despite all the whores he did and beers he drinked.

    The failures of our national team have nothing to do with the new system of the brazilian league. Name me more than two guys playing in Brazil called-up for this WC. That's right, Gilberto and Kleberson (Cruzeiro and Flamengo, respectively). Both were non-factors at South Africa, so you cant be serious at putting the blame on our league system and all the talk about a player wanting to shine in the playoffs.

    Hell, half of our players already have those kinds of playoffs to "shine". They're called the Champions League. Do they need anything else?
     
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    Leonardo will bring back jogo bonito and play more youngsters. The current Brazil had too much muscle and little flair. I don't want to sound too racist but most coloured players play with flair and a player like Felipe Melo doesn't. It's not a written rule but it's not what people expect from Brazil, especially when you think of players like Pele, Jairzinho, Garrincha, Leonidas and Ronaldo. The best thing would be seeing Pato for Brazil. If he's in form and fit, he could be a star at 2014. If a player over 30 years old is called up, one may wonder about Ronaldinho. Most people may think that he will hit the clubs but if he can still provide some magic on the field, he would be one veteran worth taking.
     
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    Contradicting much?

    And Melo's position is a defensive midfielder but maybe you wanted Brazil to play like Argentina with all attacking players. We saw how well that went, genious.
     
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    I'm saying that a thug like Melo doesn't belong in the game. Simple.

    If you want to go on about Argentina, I only have one name for you: Cambiasso! (Y)
     
      

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