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Sir Didier Drogba;3529544 said:
Cavendish has struggled the last couple of years, other teams gang up on him.

Not really. Mainly just this tour. He hasn't quite been the same since he lost Renshaw as leadout, but generally when it came down to a bunch sprint last year, he still won. Greipel may have pipped him once or twice in pure power sprints, but Cavendish was still the man you wanted your money on. This year that's Kittel.

And other teams have always ganged up on Cavendish to a point. That's part of being a sprinter.
 

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Sir Didier Drogba;3529690 said:
Yeah but also he is quite arrogant so I think people take extra pleasure in attacking him. He did top the points table in the Giro.

Kittel didn't race the Giro.

I like Cav. Everything Mark has told me about him has been positive. It's also natural (and healthy) for a sprinter to be a bit cocky and fiery
 

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Mus;3530157 said:
If you think they aren't doping in one way or another you are extremely naive

Ok, this is where I do draw the line though, it's ok when I saw l say it, because I'm a cycling fan. But the number of Australians and other band wagon sports fans that jump on the cyclists are dopers wagon is ridiculous.

Cyclists probably dope, but no more than any other professional sport. Look at the football codes in Australia Mus.
The perception that cyclists dope just because of the races they compete in is ridiculous. Many of them could perform at quite a high level without doping, just not win.

Does your blanket statement cover other sports, or are you the naive one?
 

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It covers pretty much every sport with intensive training involved, and especially sports that combine endurance and explosiveness, there's just no way human bodies can cope with the required training levels anymore.it's not just that either, even in sports like darts people are busted for using beta blockers
 

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Mus;3530379 said:
It covers pretty much every sport with intensive training involved, and especially sports that combine endurance and explosiveness, there's just no way human bodies can cope with the required training levels anymore.it's not just that either, even in sports like darts people are busted for using beta blockers

Good. Back on your side now.

Not just explosiveness with endurance, endurance in general. Or strength for that matter. Or concentration. Etc
 

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I think the fact it's "bigger" in sprinting and cycling, is because PED's have their biggest influence there and therefore the market is bigger for them
 

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Mus;3530740 said:
I think the fact it's "bigger" in sprinting and cycling, is because PED's have their biggest influence there and therefore the market is bigger for them

That's where I disagree. It's bigger as it's much more heavily tested and enforced. Look up Dr Fuentes and ask why it wasn't investigated by any governing body except cycling.

The NRL and AFL scandal has shown exactly how it is in every sport, the difference is the other sports are more interested in their good name than busting cheats.

Cycling is its own worst enemy. Easily the first sport in the world to implement testing for EPO, easily the first sport to introduce the biological passport etc.

The UCI try to be the strictest with tests and penalties, but instead of helping the sports reputation that hinders it big time.

There is much much more money made in other sports, and the benefit would still be huge. Further to that they're tested much less than cycling - a sport that still failed to catch the most tested athletes in the world - Armstrong, Ullrich, Zabel, et al.

The difference isn't that more cyclists dope, it's that cycling attempts to do something about it
 

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Why do you think they take a bigger effort to busting them? It's because of the influence the PED's have in the cycling and sprinting world
 

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Not really. Testing for doping in most professional sports is a long way behind simply through laziness, and assuming it's not happening.

Cycling has the doping history, but only because it has always tested. Rugby League players were randomly tested in 99 (or 98) and there were four or five random suspensions, for drugs like steroids, which most sports had moved on from.

They make a bigger effort because they have a reputation as a sport full of dopers, so wasn't too be seen to be doing all that they can. A random unknown professional cyclist tests positive and it's all over the news papers etc, which is the only time cycling even gets coverage in Australia outside of July. A huge government enquiry into both football codes suggests that doping and match fixing is running rampant, and the media cry victimization, tell ASADA to hurry and get in with the investigation, etc. Ridiculous double standards.

Cycling has had its fair share of dopers, the issue is we'll never know with other sports, as they rarely test, and when they do it's rarely thorough enough.

Did you look up Dr Fuentes? Why we're no tennis or football players investigated? Why didn't Spanish courts ask him to release names of all of his clients? Etc. Perfect example just there.

I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, my issue is that everyone is willing to say anyone who rides a bike is on EPO, but it's a shocking accusation to accuse any other sport - sports with more to gain and athletes much less likely to be caught, if taking anything?
 

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Well that was disappointing. I really wanted Quintana to catch Froome, though I knew it was unlikely
 


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