Italian football suspended; Policeman dies during derby violence

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Senior Squad
mark77;2271262 said:
Disgraceful!!!

- They should suspend it for a year
- Take out every Italian team out of Europe for a year or two
- Ban all ultras from games
- Put them in prison for more than one day :rolleyes:
- Punish the teams with severe fines and if it continues; point deductions and even take them out of the game in a worst case scenario.
- Take off the chance of Italy getting EURO 2012
...

then the problem would be solved

I Agree with you.
No word for that happened.
 

INFESTA

Official
Total disgrace. I hope something positive comes out of this death and drastic measures are taken into consideration.
Sometimes, to clean the rotten bits you may have to sacrifice a couple good parts, if you know what I mean.
 

eXecutioner

Club Supporter
i think suspending the league would be too harsh for the players, this should not punish the players but the idiot fans, i say that all matches played in Italy be played behind closed doors and blacked out on TV for a year and that should make it easier on the players who would be wrongfully punished in this
 

Harmsworth1

Senior Squad
Bobby;2271279 said:
If Everton and Blackburn did that England would be banned from Europe.

But FIFA/UEFA will only wag their finger at Italy.

Dont worry, Platini will have our asses hanged... Hehates every bit of us italians... Apart from that, its a shame.... :boohoo:
 

Crespo_Vieri

Youth Team
It's a sad tragedy, but this happens all over the world. The league should not be suspended, but instead they should have better security. How these fans keep getting into stadiums with all these explosions is beyond me. If this were in American at a football game, there'd be no chance of getting in with explosives.

How can people expect to control fans with no security? Get better security, don't allow explosives into the stadium, and everything will be fine.
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
I think it's a wakeup call for football in general, not just in Italy. The main reason the English game changed so much was due to the horrific tragedy at Hillsborough in 1989 between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest - The FA Cup semi final, hence a neutral venue (though the crush happened at the Liverpool end, resulting in the demise of 96 supporters)

What happened was a gate to the Leppings Lane stand was opened by the Police (criminal proceedings were bought by the victim's families) allowing a huge surge of supporters into the stand itself, the space rapidly filled up and supporters at the front were crushed against the old style metal fencing (To prevent access for hooligans to the pitch) Unfortunately and with a tragic irony, those fences did what they were designed to do, and by the time the crowd had breached them it was already far to late to prevent an awful incident.

A report into the state of English Stadia was commissioned and effected by Lord Justice Taylor. The "Taylor report" as it became known, abolished the metal fencing and also brought the end to terracing in top flight football (though in lower leagues both terracing and fencing can be found today. The thinking behind this was that with an allocated number of seats, the stands should always allow the free circulation of people in an emergency situation, or simply in the interests of comfort. Also seating prevented people "surging forward" and reduced the risk of crushing. This point is excellently illustrated in the movie "Fever Pitch"

Also if fans are restricted to sitting down, then the likelyhood of them invading the pitch was significantly (though not completely) reduced so the fences were no longer worth the trouble they caused.

It is entirely possible that it was this new way of stadium design, as well as a general rise in ticket prices and money being pumped in by Sky at the birth of "The FA Premier League" all combined to reduce hooliganism. Maybe the working class people (and hooligans were usually just average people) were already being priced out of games. Obviously sitting down made it harder to move and fight during games, and maybe the animosity outside died down as a result, leading to fewer fights.

On the continent, however football stadiums remain largely traditional (though all seater stadia are being built evermore these days) And things like flares and banners are actively encouraged on the mainland (Flares and large flags are pretty much banned in English stadia now) Perhaps that is why the atmosphere is better on European nights.

Unfortunately, until a compromise is made - the majority of innocent football fans may just have to lose some freedoms for the sake of a few who cross the line.

It undoubtedly would cost football something if the huge banners and blazing flares and packed stands with thousands of screaming and jumping fans of Serie A were consigned to history - but people are losing lives here, and that is far more important.


Mike
 

Tiago_10

Senior Squad
Crespo_Vieri;2271708 said:
It's a sad tragedy, but this happens all over the world. The league should not be suspended, but instead they should have better security. How these fans keep getting into stadiums with all these explosions is beyond me. If this were in American at a football game, there'd be no chance of getting in with explosives.

How can people expect to control fans with no security? Get better security, don't allow explosives into the stadium, and everything will be fine.

But the disturbs started way before the match itself, outside the stadium. Of course they should not allow people to enter the stadium with explosives and stuff, but that's not enough, that's not going to solve the problem. Other measures are needed, like those Mark77 referred.
 

Crespo_Vieri

Youth Team
The punishments mark77 put forward will do nothing to stop this in the future. It will only get those "Ultras" madder in which when they are allowed back they will cause more damage because of their rage. Punishment is good, but you have to take positive punishment because you can cause more damage if you aren't careful.

I think MikeM's post was brilliant, instead of looking for negative punishment everywhere, look at how to improve the situation in the stands. Creating more strict rules and better stadiums will go a long way in helping to solve this problem. Once the necessary rules are put into place, harsh punishments can be put into place for those who don't follow the rules.
 

mark77

Transfer Guru
Ultras are controlling the teams now.

Ultra: "I got these flairs and "homemade" bombs here, if I throw it you'll get a serious fine".

Club Prez: "ok ok, here's some free tickets".


I say keep those that put banners to support the team and send a postive message, the rest should be eliminated. They have the clubs by the balls. Some of them are even paid by the teams for different reasons.

excellent post MikeyM.

There was a law in Italy that's not even respected on stadium security. If it was respected maybe some things like yesterday wouldn't have happened and the clubs wouldn't be able to play in the Serie A because the stadium and security is not conform to the law.
 

Tiago_10

Senior Squad
Crespo_Vieri;2271818 said:
The punishments mark77 put forward will do nothing to stop this in the future. It will only get those "Ultras" madder in which when they are allowed back they will cause more damage because of their rage. Punishment is good, but you have to take positive punishment because you can cause more damage if you aren't careful.

I think MikeM's post was brilliant, instead of looking for negative punishment everywhere, look at how to improve the situation in the stands. Creating more strict rules and better stadiums will go a long way in helping to solve this problem. Once the necessary rules are put into place, harsh punishments can be put into place for those who don't follow the rules.

There are rules already mate, and the italian supporters in this specific situation didn't respect them, therefore should be sanctioned. Don't get me wrong I have absolutely nothing against Italy, on the contrary, and this sort of things happens in many places, not just there, what I think is it takes severe measures for people to realize the importance of this. These situations have been repeating themselves for too long now, and people who do it just don't know when to stop.

But it's not for us to decide, let's see what Uefa does, probably nothing.

And again, the confrontations started outside the stadium, and you are only suggesting measures for the inside of the stadium. (this doesn't mean that those shouldn't be taken in conseridation)
 

dannyeli

Fan Favourite
Even thought i agree with the suspension this may be a disaster for Italian football. First all the corruption and now this.... Not only the league would be damage but not many stars would like to go to Italy to play for the big clubs. One because of fear that a bomb may hit them, racism and not playing in Europe would scare them to play for the big clubs in Italy.

But i agree that there has to be changes and radical changes before it gets uglier.
 

Bobby

The Legend
d3adly;2271925 said:
so the italian CL games will be played with complete crowd shut-outs?

I heard a rumor that Celtic will ask UEFA to have Milan's home leg played outside of Italy. I wouldn't say they're out of line in doing this either.
 

Internazionale

Elo Ratings
I feel pity for Italian football. :(

But, I hope the resolutions will at least kicking out every ultras in every Italian clubs. I meant it !
 

dipset

Reserve Team
not good for italia football, they just keep gettin it upside thier heads except the worldcup of course, they should ban flares, and was it the Palermo fans or Catania b/c they should have HARSH penalty because you cant measure death tahts sad how its a policeman at a football match, mannn dat sucks the guy prolly had a family as well and b/c of some stupid **** he wont be their nemore, the penalty should be HARSH and just because other clubs dont get ppl killed dont matter cuz with these ultras theirs always potential from someone to get hurt, AND i wouldnt be surprised for ne clubs playing italy clubs in the champions league to have thier matched played away from Italy due to safety reasons, that could go down
 

rony31

Team Captain
cancel Italian football for a year. that way Inter will have won a Scudetto and lost a Scudetto by default in 2 consecutive seasons.
 


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