Is this forum dead or what??? (Moved from PES section)

[Jabbanos]

Are there any members left that write???

 

[Dipanjan]

No. Really sad though.

Everybody is just way too busy these days.

Soccer Access Rocks for PES, that is.




Horatiu Do something.

 

[cmc211]

In my country there are a lot of PES users. Isn't it irony? 40% of football game users play pes. They like PES 6 and PES 2009 a lot. They don't visit SG to question or get a file and they usually visit Gaming Access/Soccer Access. They have plenty of infos about PES and less FIFA

Maybe some people have to try to improve here.

 

[nor-rbk]

So how can we improve it then? We're open for suggestions.

 

[Arnau]

convince the editor to post his stuff here ? sex ? money?

 

[Rocky]

So how can we improve it then? We're open for suggestions.

I say get rid of the sub-forums, it would make the forum seem more populated at least. The PES/WE vs. FIFA section needs to vanish, too. Maybe in 2003/2004 it was an interesting topic to discuss, but it doesn't deserve it's own forum anymore(it didn't need it's own forum back then either as it can all be discussed in one thread). It makes no sense having it anymore, as FIFA 2009 is miles ahead of PES 2009. You won't get much quality debate now that the PES forum is dead and Konami's new games are crap.

Also, I would would like to say that this forum's relative lack of traffic is more indicative of a bigger problem. Not only is this section dead, but traffic the last couple of years on Soccergaming has been relatively low, at least compared to when I first joined in 2004. It just stands out not only in this forum, but the Football manager forums, the lounge, even the soccer forum isn't as lively anymore. The only section that really thrives is the FIFA section. However, that doesn't surprise me, as SG has always been FIFA oriented site.

 

[Mandieta6]

The PES forum is one of the least trafficked, and the site's general traffic has gone down significantly in the last year, perhaps for longer if what Rocky says is true. Improving the PES section won't help, the forum needs to attract and retain more members. After all, at any given time, the amount of non-member users far outweighs the amount of members online, there must be something there.

 

[Rocky]

"the amount of non-member users far outweighs the amount of members online, there must be something there. "

So true and very alarming. As of right now, there are 22 members and 196 guests. I would venture to say many of those are bots and/or leeches who just come and download stuff from the FIFA section, and possibly some members who don't feel like logging in or posting. However there could be some people who read and may be a bit hesitant to join. Maybe making SG viewable only to members may encourage some new membership, however that may not guarantee those members posting.

 

[Dipanjan]

Yes, some threads for only members and maybe some others for members with a required number of posts, will inculcate the habit of joining the forum and posting regularly as well.

Or also, some just come here and download whatever they need and go away. If we also introduce a feature where the post will only be visible to the members who has posted a Thanks will be great. Because than the patch makers will be motivated to make more stuff, which in the process will help our very own SG.

Whatever I have mentioned, I have seen these featured in other forums, so this is do-able. But SG is a vintage forum and the template is also a old one. I am not really sure if all of this can be done. But I will only be happy if this can be done.

Hope you are listening club president.

Cheers!

 

[nor-rbk]

Yes, I'm listening. We have discussed many possible reasons and improvements, but this is far from easy to solve.

Btw, I'm moving this thread to the feedback and suggestion forum. Keep your thoughts coming.

 

[Zlatan]

How about cleaning up the mods & admins list? There's so many mods & admins, that were once regulars here but haven't visited SG in ages. I think they should be replaced with new blood. Perhaps than some of the issues that brought SG in this situation can be dealt with(spammers, general morons, inactivity, etc.)

Just my two cents...

 

[nor-rbk]

We cleaned up the moderator list before Christmas and I think we have all the forums covered at the moment. Notify me if I missed something though.

 

[Zlatan]

Ah let's see:

Alex(supermod): Last post 05-12-2008
champdave(mod): Last post 03-01-2009
Gerrard_17(supermod): Last post 07-03-2008
Hakeem(supermod): Last post 23-02-2009, after not posting for half a year
mark77(mod): Last post yesterday, but only 1 post in the last 3 months
Parra Power(mod): Last post 12-04-2009, but also only 1 post in the last 3 months
Sundsvall(mod): Last post 13-04-2009, after not posting for half a year
AndrewC(admin): Last post 12-10-2006
Chris(admin): Last post 24-03-2005
Joe(admin): Last post 20-02-2009, after not posting for more than half a year
Shinji(supermod): Last post 19-02-2009
Can't stop the rush(Supermod): Last post 27-12-2007
Sportgaming(supermod): Last post 16-09-2008

I know most of these are all respected posters, who used to be active alot here on SG and you should certainly not see this as a personal attack on them. But the thing is you can't be a mod, supermod or admin just on respect from the past. You can't be a leader of a board and not post for months, some even years and expect a board to be well run and active...

 

[nor-rbk]

Most of those are supermods and admins, not regular mods. We could clean up the supermods list a bit, but the admins around doesn't post much and never has, they've been in the background doing admin stuff. You don't have to post in order to moderate. We could maybe need another supermod, but that won't be the important factor to get this forum back where it once was. Let us just leave the moderator/admin list for now, there will be some changes in the crew soon*, just not now. I have to clear things considering supermods/admins with Matt.

*By soon I mean within the next few weeks/months, not a year...

 

[Zlatan]

Most of those are supermods and admins, not regular mods. We could clean up the supermods list a bit, but the admins around doesn't post much and never has, they've been in the background doing admin stuff. You don't have to post in order to moderate. We could maybe need another supermod, but that won't be the important factor to get this forum back where it once was. Let us just leave the moderator/admin list for now, there will be some changes in the crew soon*, just not now. I have to clear things considering supermods/admins with Matt.

*By soon I mean within the next few weeks/months, not a year...

I disagree that having new and active guys as supermods isn't an important factor to improve the forum. An active admin/(super)mod can make an effort to get SG back on track(by actively posting, starting discussions etc. just being alive in the community and the forum they moderate) and deal with the issues regarding spammers etc. An inactive member cannot. It isn't a coincidence that when the guys I mentioned above where all still active, the forum was alot more lively. There was just a way better posting and discussion environment.

I also disagree that you don't have to post in order to moderate. I've been posting on many forums all over the web since 2001 and I haven't seen any forum where the leaders of the board(especially the admins) didn't post for years. It's cool to have a couple of guys working on the technical side of the forums, but all of them? That's just plain ridiculous. Admins have to be active and lead the board in my opinion and that goes all the more for normal moderators too. Just imagine a country whose president is on vacation all the time, that's bound to go wrong. So it has here...

Again, I say this all not as a personal attack, but just in an attempt to make SG better.

 

[Rocky]

I agree with Zlatan that a good, active forum has active admins posting frequently. There used to be a time when the admins and mods here used to post a lot amongst the regular members. A admin can post and still do the behind the scenes stuff. All the major admins and mods save for two or three used to have +10,000 posts or close. Guys like IceBlu, posted frequently and still did their jobs as admins. Now he's vanished like some of the other admins and mods.

 

[Dipanjan]

I disagree that having new and active guys as supermods isn't an important factor to improve the forum. An active admin/(super)mod can make an effort to get SG back on track(by actively posting, starting discussions etc. just being alive in the community and the forum they moderate) and deal with the issues regarding spammers etc. An inactive member cannot. It isn't a coincidence that when the guys I mentioned above where all still active, the forum was alot more lively. There was just a way better posting and discussion environment.

I also disagree that you don't have to post in order to moderate. I've been posting on many forums all over the web since 2001 and I haven't seen any forum where the leaders of the board(especially the admins) didn't post for years. It's cool to have a couple of guys working on the technical side of the forums, but all of them? That's just plain ridiculous. Admins have to be active and lead the board in my opinion and that goes all the more for normal moderators too. Just imagine a country whose president is on vacation all the time, that's bound to go wrong. So it has here...

Again, I say this all not as a personal attack, but just in an attempt to make SG better.

Agree with you on all of the abovementioned points. The mods are an integral part of a Forum, the basis of the forum at the end of the day depends on them, and also them being an active and integral part of the community. Posts like these are just inflammatory and contagious for the community. I think better mod control could seriously help the Forum.

And also another fact to be taken into due consideration is that the actual SoccerGaming.com has not been very active. With the downloads centre being in an even pathetic centre.

I have all the faith in the world in nor-rbk and know that we have finally got a responsible president.

Cheers!!
Dipanjan

 

[french_stewart]

Hi guys, I'm new on the SG forums.

I'm Mark - I've been writing some articles for the main site recently. I worked on an SG hosted site for years but I'm now doing some stuff for SG itself.

If no-one objects I'd like to start a thread on the relevant forum for each article I do. Hopefully this will strike up a bit of discussion and debate on the subject!!

Happy hunting.
Mark.

 

[nor-rbk]

Yeah, you could do that, probably someone morons will flame you a bit, but just ignore them. I will try do some research to see if we can add a script that automatically posts a thread in the forums when a new post appears on the front page, we've had it earlier.

 

[nor-rbk]

Just to inform you if you already haven't noticed, we have now made sure that our moderator team is up to date and all inactive mods/admins have been removed.