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Hi all! People with GF4TI4200! I Need your help! :)

pesoto

Club Supporter
Hello u all! this is my first post in this forum, but i'm a regular reader.
Let's see, i´ve got a "weird?" problem, im so desesperate that i finally wrote this post, hoping for a solution, cos ive read that many people that have the same GF4ti4200 says game runs perfect.

My machine : p4 2ghz, 512ram, gforce4 ti4200 64mb, Philips 107e 17'' crt monitor.

The problem : "Pes4 demo, Pes3 updated and We7pc does not run smooth"

The facts : "Pes3 , in order to play the first realase of this pc game (without updating it) with incredible smooth
movements i have to do the following proccess: I have to go To properties of nvidia Card , Override refresh section,
and set 1024*768 to 75hz , apply. Then i execute the game. The next thing i have to do is to alt+tab going to desktop,
then i alt+tab into the game again and voilá, the screen goes black for 2 seconds and the game is again displayed with the
75hz refresh "catched", then is when i can experience de full smoothed Pes3 game (just marvellous). When i finish playing i
activate "Aplication control refresh rate" to have a confortable 85hz viewing of my xp desktop. This only happens in this
game, ive played games as doom3, Splintercell and UT smoothly with out doing this.

--> Why do i have to do this???, lets see, if i dont (having my desktop to 1024*768 with 85hz) the game wont run smooth.
its curious, if i do the procces i puted on top with 85hz instead of 75hz the game runs smooth, but it runs EXTREMELY
FAST, its unplayable!

So.. wheres the problem? well, the thing is that i cant apply my alt-tabing-override-refresh-technique with
Pes4 demo, Pes3 updated and We7pc , if i try to alt+tab to desktop the game wont allow me, so i cant see if my
technique could work. Of course i've tryed alt+entering (windowed mode), and it dosent go smooth either.

Things ive tryed: Ive tryed millions of things, really, switching all the settings in the Nvidia display panel
(of course tryed switching vsync).

Other things: It has been a year doing allways this alt+tabing thing, ive reinstalled Winxp several times,
putted other driver versions and so on, so i dont think is a "screwed up os" issue or similar.
(actually i have the lastest nvidia drivers installed)

SO... really, i dont know what can i do, does anyone has any clue? I havent red any post with similar problem ever.
i'd be extremelly grateful with any help.


PD: Yep, my english is as weird as my problem x).

PD2: If you have a GF4ti and dont know what hapens to me, juest please say me your drivers, settings... something... :(
 

Picture

multiple account of niceman
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Re: Hi all! People with GF4TI4200! I Need your help! :)

Originally posted by pesoto
Hello u all! this is my first post in this forum, but i'm a regular reader.
Let's see, i´ve got a "weird?" problem, im so desesperate that i finally wrote this post, hoping for a solution, cos ive read that many people that have the same GF4ti4200 says game runs perfect.

My machine : p4 2ghz, 512ram, gforce4 ti4200 64mb, Philips 107e 17'' crt monitor.

The problem : "Pes4 demo, Pes3 updated and We7pc does not run smooth"

The facts : "Pes3 , in order to play the first realase of this pc game (without updating it) with incredible smooth
movements i have to do the following proccess: I have to go To properties of nvidia Card , Override refresh section,
and set 1024*768 to 75hz , apply. Then i execute the game. The next thing i have to do is to alt+tab going to desktop,
then i alt+tab into the game again and voilá, the screen goes black for 2 seconds and the game is again displayed with the
75hz refresh "catched", then is when i can experience de full smoothed Pes3 game (just marvellous). When i finish playing i
activate "Aplication control refresh rate" to have a confortable 85hz viewing of my xp desktop. This only happens in this
game, ive played games as doom3, Splintercell and UT smoothly with out doing this
--> Why do i have to do this???, lets see, if i dont (having my desktop to 1024*768 with 85hz) the game wont run smooth.
its curious, if i do the procces i puted on top with 85hz instead of 75hz the game runs smooth, but it runs EXTREMELY
FAST, its unplayable!

So.. wheres the problem? well, the thing is that i cant apply my alt-tabing-override-refresh-technique with
Pes4 demo, Pes3 updated and We7pc , if i try to alt+tab to desktop the game wont allow me, so i cant see if my
technique could work. Of course i've tryed alt+entering (windowed mode), and it dosent go smooth either.

Things ive tryed: Ive tryed millions of things, really, switching all the settings in the Nvidia display panel
(of course tryed switching vsync).

Other things: It has been a year doing allways this alt+tabing thing, ive reinstalled Winxp several times,
putted other driver versions and so on, so i dont think is a "screwed up os" issue or similar.
(actually i have the lastest nvidia drivers installed)

SO... really, i dont know what can i do, does anyone has any clue? I havent red any post with similar problem ever.
i'd be extremelly grateful with any help.


PD: Yep, my english is as weird as my problem x).

PD2: If you have a GF4ti and dont know what hapens to me, juest please say me your drivers, settings... something... :(

I have 2,0 GHz, 512 mb ddr ram, lcd screen (13 ms responsetime), winblows xp, GeForce TI 4200 64 MB ram...the game is perfect on highest details in PES 3 in PES 4 i only have problems when the screen moves fast from one end to the other on a clearing or a goalkick (for example)
 

ibo

Senior Squad
P4 1.8Ghz, 384MB SDR RAM, Gf4Ti4200 64MB
Detonator 45.23 omega nvidia drivers
settings: Quality Mode, Texture Sharpening Enabled, no AA / AF, Vsync Off, 1024x768x32 (85hz)
 

Rüstü

Youth Team
I am with you pesoto...
Your problem is same with my problem.

PES3 with 1.1 patch, WE 7 Int and PES4 demo have waving screen for me...

But PES3 that first release version doesn't have any problem for me..

I have a GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB
 

pesoto

Club Supporter
Im really thanked for your replys, Thnx :D

Thnx rüstü too, i was thinking i was cursed or something like that, if you ever reolve the prob please reply, ill do the same.

A thing, is there a way to see how many FPS is the game running?




:p
 

Master Kush

Youth Team
Dont worry ppl with gf4 4200, I had the same problems with pes3(patched, not original) and the pes4 demo. The full game plays much better than the demo on high settings. There is still a slight tearing, but barely noticeable for the most part.
 

Matrix33

Club Supporter
I have Pentium4 1,6 GHz @2,1 GHz, 512 mb Rd ram, 19'' Samsun CRT Monitor ,windows xp, Leadtek GeForce TI 4200 64 MB
The game is perfect on highest details (1024*768) in PES3 , WE7I
and PES 4 DEMO

I use ForceWare 66.81 Win2000/XP WHQL drivers.using the other drivers make problem (slow game and stuttering).

Trying this driver.

U can download this drv from

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=10

ForceWare 66.81 Win2000/XP WHQL
 

pesoto

Club Supporter
Now i have the full game, i've tryed all those drivers and more... is still chopy, ill wait for an update, i think...

Thnx for all of your replys guys! :o
 

Rork73

Club Supporter
REMEMBER

- First you should uninstall your current drivers (you can find them in control panel -> uninstall software).

- Once you uninstalled the old drivers, reboot your pc.

- On www.guru3d.com you can find a tool called 'Nasty File Remover' or NFR...download it, and after that reboot run NFR to remove all Nvidia files. Just delete whatever it finds on your pc.

- Now, install the omega drivers above and you'll have a 100% clean & new install.

The problem is, one or two old driver files can mess up your card's peformance a lot. So make sure you do a clean install!

Works like a dream, with my P4 1.4ghz and t4400 I can run PES4 at highest resolution at 85hz (max for my screen) and with details at high.
So it should work that well for you too.....

Have fun :)
 

jefferson goh

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Rork73
REMEMBER

- First you should uninstall your current drivers (you can find them in control panel -> uninstall software).

- Once you uninstalled the old drivers, reboot your pc.

- On www.guru3d.com you can find a tool called 'Nasty File Remover' or NFR...download it, and after that reboot run NFR to remove all Nvidia files. Just delete whatever it finds on your pc.

- Now, install the omega drivers above and you'll have a 100% clean & new install.

The problem is, one or two old driver files can mess up your card's peformance a lot. So make sure you do a clean install!

Works like a dream, with my P4 1.4ghz and t4400 I can run PES4 at highest resolution at 85hz (max for my screen) and with details at high.
So it should work that well for you too.....

Have fun :)



Does this work with Geforce4 Mx 420???
 

pesoto

Club Supporter
Hey Rork ! I used Detonator RIP before, ill try the NFR that you are commenting!!!! BUt... wich version of the OMEGA drivers you use????


Thanx you all! :p
 

RainBLooD

Club Supporter
I have:
AMD 2800+
512 ram
SB Live
CRT 19''
GeForce 4200 Ti 128mega (OmegaDriver 61.77)

With HIGH QUALITY setting (and NO V-sync) I get smooth performance only with 60hz (but with "waves") or 120hz.
With MEDIUM QUALITY game runs good even at 85hz...

If I set V-Sync to ON, PES4 runs crappy.

I think that some guys (like a friend of mine) think that on your PC the game runs "perfect" because they don't care about "NOT smooth scrolling" on long pass...

However there is an ABSURD "bug":
800x600 HIGH 120hz game runs smooth at 60fps (I use FRAPS to see frames) in the "superior" and "middle zone of field"... but when the ball goes to the "inferior zone of field", game slows down to 54... 58fps (so it is NOT smooth) or 48...50fps with "heavy" stadium. When the ball returns to the others "zones of field", game returns to 60fps...
This is totally ABSURD.

Another thinks that influence "fps" are the stadium and weather...

I pretend a patch from Konami, I have buyed the game.
:(

P.S:
Some people say to try with:
60 hertz
Antialiasing - 2x
Anisotropic - off
Vsync - on
Image settings - performance

or

"Reduce the hardware sound acceleration level: Click on the Windows Start button, select Run, type "dxdiag," press Enter, click on the Sound Tab, and slide the Hardware Sound Acceleration bar to "Basic" or "None."

...I wil try tomorrow.

[sorry for my bad english]
 

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multiple account of niceman
Life Ban
Originally posted by RainBLooD
I have:
AMD 2800+
512 ram
SB Live
CRT 19''
GeForce 4200 Ti 128mega (OmegaDriver 61.77)

With HIGH QUALITY setting (and NO V-sync) I get smooth performance only with 60hz (but with "waves") or 120hz.
With MEDIUM QUALITY game runs good even at 85hz...

If I set V-Sync to ON, PES4 runs crappy.

I think that some guys (like a friend of mine) think that on your PC the game runs "perfect" because they don't care about "NOT smooth scrolling" on long pass...

However there is an ABSURD "bug":
800x600 HIGH 120hz game runs smooth at 60fps (I use FRAPS to see frames) in the "superior" and "middle zone of field"... but when the ball goes to the "inferior zone of field", game slows down to 54... 58fps (so it is NOT smooth) or 48...50fps with "heavy" stadium. When the ball returns to the others "zones of field", game returns to 60fps...
This is totally ABSURD.

Another thinks that influence "fps" are the stadium and weather...

I pretend a patch from Konami, I have buyed the game.
:(

P.S:
Some people say to try with:
60 hertz
Antialiasing - 2x
Anisotropic - off
Vsync - on
Image settings - performance

or

"Reduce the hardware sound acceleration level: Click on the Windows Start button, select Run, type "dxdiag," press Enter, click on the Sound Tab, and slide the Hardware Sound Acceleration bar to "Basic" or "None."

...I wil try tomorrow.

[sorry for my bad english]

Did it work i have nearly same specs as u but game is not running smooth on long passes or fast passes!
 

rdaumeyer

Club Supporter
Joker ... you tried both ways that Rainblood mentioned? Neither worked? I was looking forward to trying those settings, I guess I shouldn't get my hopes up :(
 

RainBLooD

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Picture
Did it work i have nearly same specs as u but game is not running smooth on long passes or fast passes!

I have tried "all possible" configurations and drivers... and with my PC, PES4 with VSYNC ON don't run smooth.

I got best performance with OMEGA Forceware driver 61.77 and the default driver setting (PERFORMANCE).
I set resolution to 800x600 with 120hz (because with 60hz I see TOO MUCH "waves").

However, the game runs smooth only in a lot of stadium...
I think that the problem is the "grass rendering", not the "complexity" of stadium (like gallery, roof...).

I do some tests and the best (for performance) stadiums are:
ORANGE - BAYERN - NAKHON - CESAR - DIETROMONTE - HAZEHILL
or, if you have TheWolfPatch installed:
AMSTERDAM - OLYMPIC - STADIO OLIMPICO - SEOUL - OLIMPIA.

Ok :)
 

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Originally posted by rdaumeyer
Joker ... you tried both ways that Rainblood mentioned? Neither worked? I was looking forward to trying those settings, I guess I shouldn't get my hopes up :(

I have tried many things...i have drivers from nvidia 61.4 or something...running on 800x600 high but i when screen moves fast from left to right or right to left i have tearing...i have doubts that a radeon 9800 pro 128 mb will solve the problem (now i have nvidia GeForce 4 4200 TI 64 mb)...a radeon 9550 did not solve the prob so ill be returning that sh!t card!

Btw i have LCD monitor 13 ms of responsetime running on 60 Hz at higher there is more tearing!
 

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Originally posted by The_Unforgiven
Latest drivers, AF at 2x, 1024x768 at medium detail level. Plays great on my Ti4200...:)

Ill try it what r other specs?
 

rdaumeyer

Club Supporter
I have a Ti4400 graphics card ... do you think I would have the same problems as you folks with a 4200? Is it the same card, practically speaking?

I want to buy a new card, but only if it's going to help me play PES4 more smoothly.
 


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