Gary Neville on Riogate

[monkee]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-854112,00.html

Brings up some interesting points. Particularly about impartiality within the FA, and the FA's attempts to keep their image clean instead of dealing with the issue.

 

[ShearerM4]

second time I see one of Gary's articles ...
and must admire his style. great article, and brought up points... that sure were obvious but worth reminding

 

[antithesis]

that article makes no sense at all



Neville attempts to make 4 points

1)Ferdinand was prejudged

Only a lawyer would make that argument, and he isn't.......he says that the FA banned Rio. That is just flat out erroneous. He was not considered for selection, and that's not semantics.
He then makes the bush lawyer argument that there have been similar infractions, but fails to point out if any of those involved an International with a game upcoming.
My understanding is that Rio can play in the league (pending the hearing's findings), which is consistent with the previous incidents to which he alluded.


2)Confidentiality

Is it not accurate that this incident occured long before the Turkey game and nobody knew about it. That strikes me as having the stench of confidentiality.
In other words they kept his name and actions private until they felt they had to act. I agree that by removing him from selection they effectively alerted the media to the incident, but is that really a breach of confidentiality?


3)loyalty and Collina

Neville says that he comes from a place where players/managers stand by you.
Oh really? Ask his mate about that...

He then has the gall to praise Collina, and none too subtlely alludes to the ManU/Arsenal game.
Why didn't he say that before?
Why wasn't he concerned about Keown when he was crucified and named as a discredit to English football.
Why didn't he say that the referee was wrong to act the way he did, and should have had a word with Vieria and Keane after the RVN incident?
I always knew the ManU boys silence meant they thought it was wrong
But maybe I made his point for him, now that I wrote about it.
I concede this point. I think he's actually saying that we cared more about being loyal to Rio than the facts, and we also think that the Arsenal bustup was nothing to suspend anyone for.


4)Who can judge us

he says "It cannot be right that senior councillors with allegiances to Blackburn Rovers, Liverpool, Arsenal, Aston Villa and other clubs are in a position to influence the fate of a Manchester United player"

Do we really need to point out the folly.
Damn arrogance.

 

[ryan_goal]

Originally posted by antithesis
that article makes no sense at all

when is the last time a Utd player made any sense after Beckham's departure?

 

[Amika]

i must admit with anti... the article really make no sense at all.. his main point was about rio being ban before he can make his point but the FA has the right to take action before letting him make his point.. if i said if rio did take drugs and UEFA found out about that then it would be much more worst then now.. england could be kick out from the competition... this is just my 2 cents...

 

[monkee]

You miss the point Amika. I didn't want to go over the arguments again but Rio passed a drugs test... Neither UEFA nor Turkey would have objected to Rio playing (and had the FA asked UEFA before taking action they would have avoided this mess). The FA telling the England manager that such-and-such a player cannot be considered for selection is akin to a ban, hence pre-judgement.

Anti, you must have a persecution complex so big that you have a spare room in your house for it. Where does that article 'non-to subtely [aka blatently] allude' to the scenes at Old Trafford, after the match? I can't believe you are still harping on about it mate. But no-one was sent off after the game for those scenes, they were mentioned in the refs match report, and the FA investigated them. You may notice similarities about what's surrounding the weekend's international.

 

[shokz]

No matter what happens, I really have that ill feeling that Rio will get banned by FIFA, if not our FA.

They will come down hard, FIFA have made there feelings clear, its a no win situation for Rio.

Oh well, looks like we'll end up buying a defender from outside of Europe, to be eligible for Champions League in January(Like the time we bought Diego Forlan).

 

[Fernandez]

shokz, we might get the boca player sir alex wanted to buy.... i probably can make up a list of eligible players from europe..... and i hope brown would recover(he is playing tennis to recover).... but getting our expensive defender banned is like getting no value back...

 

[shokz]

A name would be great.

FIFA could give Rio atleast a 3 month ban if the FA don't go hard.

I wouldn't be bothered if it was 3 months.

 

[Fernandez]

here ya go.... had to go to bj's official site and all argentinian Nicolás Andrésan Burdisso is the defender we need..... his name was raised during last years unicef-pepsi friendly....

 

[antithesis]

Originally posted by monkee
Where does that article 'non-to subtely [aka blatently] allude' to the scenes at Old Trafford,

"You have to give huge respect to Pierluigi Collina, who showed how to referee a volatile match. When there was trouble in the tunnel he stood there, watched and then dealt with it man to man with the captains. That is strong refereeing, not showering cards around. "

seems obvious

Originally written by neville
"It cannot be right that senior councillors with allegiances to Blackburn Rovers, Liverpool, Arsenal, Aston Villa and other clubs are in a position to influence the fate of a Manchester United player"

there's the persecution complex

 

[mhflierman]

Anti, the way you are twisting and turning that article into yet another "I hate ManUtd" statement is just so obvious. You should read that article as an article coming from an objective person. When I read that article I never had the feeling Neville was defending ManUtd's case he was defending a collegue's case, I have no doubt about it that had it happened to Campbell, Neville would have done the same.

 

[Bobby]

Originally posted by shokz
A name would be great.

FIFA could give Rio atleast a 3 month ban if the FA don't go hard.

I wouldn't be bothered if it was 3 months.

I would if i was a Man Utd fan.

With Brown out, what if O'Shea goes down?

 

[antithesis]

Originally posted by mhflierman
Anti, the way you are twisting and turning that article into yet another "I hate ManUtd" statement is just so obvious. You should read that article as an article coming from an objective person. When I read that article I never had the feeling Neville was defending ManUtd's case he was defending a collegue's case, I have no doubt about it that had it happened to Campbell, Neville would have done the same.

Actually it's more about 'when did missing a drug test become a silly little thing", and having seen the tunnel incident, I have plenty doubts Neville would defend Campbell or Cole.
Where was he?