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FIFA: Nine Plus Nine, (9 + 9)

adedawson

Senior Squad
Football's governing authorities are considering radical new plans designed to force the richest clubs to give home-grown players more of a chance to make the grade.

The Independent on Sunday has learned that talks on the so-called nine-plus-nine proposal are at an advanced stage between Fifa and Uefa after all previous attempts at promoting youth development failed to gain sufficient support.

The plans, which would require half of a club's 18-man squad to have been "locally trained" for three years under the age of 21 within the same national association, still have to be approved by the European Union.

The new rules are initially designed for European competition. Under the plan Manchester City would have been three "locally trained" players short under nine-plus-nine when they took on Villarreal in the Champions' League last week.

If they are extended to the Premier League, as seems likely, City would also suffer. They would have been three "assimilated" players short in their 18-man team sheet against Wolves eight days ago. Even Arsène Wenger, arguably the canniest when it comes to drafting in overseas players at a tender age and moulding them into home-grown Arsenal stars, would also have found himself three locally trained players short in that remarkable 5-3 win at Chelsea.

The revamp would replace Sepp Blatter's doomed six-plus-five idea which was adopted by Fifa in May 2008 but never got off the ground because it related to nationality and fell foul of European law.

The EU accepted, however, Uefa's alternative quota system which is not based on nationality and currently stipulates that eight locally trained players must be included in every 25-man Champions' League and Europa League squad.

The crucial difference with nine-plus-nine is that a minimum of two locally trained players would have to make every starting line-up, with seven on the bench.

"This time they will have to be on the match sheet rather than just the squad," a Uefa source said. "We are talking about nine players who have come through the associations. Six-plus-five didn't work because you can't discriminate according to nationality. We think this will work."

The president of Uefa, Michel Platini, is a key player in the current talks to protect local identity and stop teams chopping and changing and buying up all the best foreign talent. "We understand the [European] Commission's position but still want to try to protect the local identity of clubs," said Platini.

"We have studied this more carefully and have now come up with the idea of nine-plus-nine. But before we propose this to the Commission, we have to make sure the whole football family support it."

The move, while bound to be welcomed by lower-ranked clubs, seems certain to infuriate the elite. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the chairman of the European Club Association, said nine-plus-nine would reduce a club's ability to pick the best players and encourage "child hunting" of teenage talent around the world.

"The European Club Association has explicitly rejected it," he said. "I am convinced Fifa and Uefa have not thought this through in detail."

But the authorities are pressing ahead with the idea, designed to make sure home-grown players do not simply end up as squad also-rans. "The EU have accepted our regulations that locally trained does not involve discrimination," said the Uefa source. "Currently you can still end up fielding 11so-called foreigners. Nine-plus-nine would change that."

this seems an improvement on the home grown rule the premiership introduced a few years ago, 2010 was it?

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html

Man City must be panic.
 

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
Life Ban
I hate this **** in FM, and don't think I'll like it much in real life either. It's these dumbass rules that have us unable to field Bertrand or Lukaku in the competition.
 

yoyo913

Team Captain
poet11;3139344 said:
Whats this "child hunting" bull****?

This rule would force big clubs to start scouting players at an early age and bring in a lot of players under 18 (so they would have 3 years to qualify as homegrown).

He has a point, instead of making a lot of transfers with older players the clubs will do more transfers with ones under 18 which may affect those players negatively: having to move from their home or country at an early age, disrupting their previous training. It would put more pressure on kids.

The way this would positively affect football would be a more even distribution of talent. Instead of there being a large disproportion of Brazilians (lets say) all over the world, this would be slightly cut down and there would be more players of the same nationality as their respective clubs. This would improve the international talent level.
 

poet11

Oh and tits.
Horatiu;3139359 said:
He has a point, instead of making a lot of transfers with older players the clubs will do more transfers with ones under 18 which may affect those players negatively: having to move from their home or country at an early age, disrupting their previous training. It would put more pressure on kids.

I mainly remarked on Rummenigge's comment because he is being a hyprocite. Bayern's way of dealing with transfers aren't classy in anyway and he accuses others of "child trafficking/hunting".

I won't disagree with what you said though but don't young talents also have many benefits? Like a better platform to grow etc.

I personally would approve with the idea due to the last point you made.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Poet, you're an idiot. He's not accusing anyone of "child hunting", he's saying that's what would happen if 9+9 went into effect. Defensive much?

Frankly I hope FIFA does it and the clubs revolt. I just want FIFA gone and something that's not totally rotten and corrupt to replace it.
 

Sevillista

Starting XI
Fans in Bilbao and Barcelona must be smiling.

I like this idea, and would like to see it in action. The big clubs will be just fine, and the game will be just fine. Clubs are already poaching young players from other clubs.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
I don't like it. I think clubs should be able to play whoever they want. This will keep a lot of good players stuck with crappy wages in lesser leagues. And I say that as a fan of a club who would be fine.
 

poet11

Oh and tits.
ShiftyPowers;3139455 said:
Poet, you're an idiot. He's not accusing anyone of "child hunting", he's saying that's what would happen if 9+9 went into effect. Defensive much?

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...uses-arsenal-boss-wenger-of-child-trafficking

^^^ He did it before and is being a ******* hypocrite. He should stick to licking Platini and Blatter's arsehole.

Your the one who is an idiot. Don't start moaning and arguing again if theres another situation like Fabregas anywhere.

And and and..............good luck tapping up G O A T S E (H)
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
ShiftyPowers;3139484 said:
I don't like it. I think clubs should be able to play whoever they want. This will keep a lot of good players stuck with crappy wages in lesser leagues. And I say that as a fan of a club who would be fine.

Now that's a good point. With less foreign players coming too Europe would they develop the same way, in smaller leagues.

As mentioned we will end up getting younger players I guess, and train them up. So perhaps this will change nothing. But then it could encourage the sourcing of local talent over foreign. Its got to be cheaper to find a young lad with talent in the UK then flying across to Brazil for example. Surely at that young tender age the gap in skill level cant be that different.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
poet11;3139637 said:
Fair enough. You're the one who is an idiot.

Without trying to offend too much, bringing minors across international borders to work would probably be illegal in ant other context. Technically the parents move next to the club and oh what do you know, now the kid can play at the big club, but everyone knows what's really going on.
 

poet11

Oh and tits.
ShiftyPowers;3139948 said:
Without trying to offend too much, bringing minors across international borders to work would probably be illegal in ant other context. Technically the parents move next to the club and oh what do you know, now the kid can play at the big club, but everyone knows what's really going on.

As far as I know..........its L E G A L.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
It's a loophole. It's still employing minors and importing them from different countries. If you don't have a moral problem with that, then I suppose it's not an issue. I personally think it's morally dubious at least for players under 16.
 

Sevillista

Starting XI
ShiftyPowers;3140864 said:
It's a loophole. It's still employing minors and importing them from different countries. If you don't have a moral problem with that, then I suppose it's not an issue. I personally think it's morally dubious at least for players under 16.
It's already done.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
I know it is. I'm saying I have a problem with it even though technically it's "legal" since the club is paying the parents to move and... I imagine sit on their asses and do Carlos ****?
 

poet11

Oh and tits.
I'm not denying or accepting it is not a problem but Rumm should look in the mirror before shi**ing through his lips.

You don't like it and I don't care as long as its legal. Fair?
 


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