Fifa 2006 CEP - Career Expansion Patch

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Leftos

Youth Team
About the Greek League, there obviously has been a misunderstanding. OckHAM claims (and don't take it personally) that Simos gave him his permission, Simos claims he hasn't. So, by an objective point of view, and not in a hostile way at all, by the pms Simos has posted in the Greek Mega Patch thread, here's how it went...

OckHAM sent two pms asking Simos for his permission, Simos was interested in participating in the patch, and asked what he should do, OckHAM sent him another pm saying that he should e-mail him to give him his permission as well as discuss futher collaboration, which never happened.

So I take it that Simos thought again about participating in CEP and decided not to, but the fact that he didn't reply was misunderstood by OckHAM, who thought that he had just given him his permission.

To all of you saying that OckHAM should take the "stupid" files of the Greek League out, you obviously just don't get it.

I respect OckHAM for the work he's put into the CEP, and he knows that. He knows that very well. But this misunderstanding must be clarified.
 

Sundsvall

The Super-Swede
Comma said:
easy fix. Just remove the stupid files for the greek league.
easy fix?first of all it took many many hours for ockham to install the patch to the cep,and second,it will take atleast same to take the files away,thats why hees tired of this ****,if it was easy like that,he wouldnt argue about it...anyway,it was not to be rude or something,just whant to tell you how it is.
 

Wittser

Youth Team
Guys guys guys

Here we have a young lad who has a talent and is trying to bring us all something to benefit our FIFA gaming experience.

I think we should all support his work and help him wherever he needs it. Can I ask one simple question, are you all perfect and do you never make mistakes? I know I can only answer no I am far from perfect.

We all try our best in this community and it is so important that when someone puts their head up and takes responsibility to dedicate their time to improving things for everyone that this is appreciated by us all.

Nothing in life is perfect but all I can say is if you can do better then go and do it. Don't moan about other peoples work, go do it and let us all post our feedback to your work and then see how you feel.

Let's all get behind OckHAM and ensure he goes to sleep each night with a smile on his face rather than in tears because some of you have ripped him apart.

Keep up your great work OckHAM, the majority of us here really appreciate what you have done for the community.

Dave :)
 

Leftos

Youth Team
Dear Dave,

I agree with what you're saying. We should give OckHAM a rest and show the proper respect for the great work he has done. My message was in no way a try to flame OckHAM or make his work look faulty. If you browse through the pages, you'll see I was the first one to report the wrong greek rosters in CEP, just so that OckHAM could correct it in a later version, all with good intent.

But it kept me wondering, since the latest GMP version was out very long ago, why the CEP didn't have the correct rosters. So when I asked Simos, he said that no permission was given, and I just wanted to clarify the misunderstanding. If OckHAM is taking any time to read this, I hope he sees behind the reasons of every single post I made in this thread.

Yours.
 

Delija

Club Supporter
Leftos said:
About the Greek League, there obviously has been a misunderstanding. OckHAM claims (and don't take it personally) that Simos gave him his permission, Simos claims he hasn't. So, by an objective point of view, and not in a hostile way at all, by the pms Simos has posted in the Greek Mega Patch thread, here's how it went...

OckHAM sent two pms asking Simos for his permission, Simos was interested in participating in the patch, and asked what he should do, OckHAM sent him another pm saying that he should e-mail him to give him his permission as well as discuss futher collaboration, which never happened.

So I take it that Simos thought again about participating in CEP and decided not to, but the fact that he didn't reply was misunderstood by OckHAM, who thought that he had just given him his permission.

To all of you saying that OckHAM should take the "stupid" files of the Greek League out, you obviously just don't get it.

I respect OckHAM for the work he's put into the CEP, and he knows that. He knows that very well. But this misunderstanding must be clarified.
xxx
Oke gotcha, well the fair solution would be to not include Simos Greek league in the next updated patch...but leave this one alone it's already out there,
why spoil the fun.



WE NEED MORE NICENESS IN THE WORLD
 

Empa

Club Supporter
Is this a nursery or what?
OckHAM's patch is one of the best in FIFA history and instead of encourage him, you're fighting about some damn small problems all the time. Let OckHAM continue with this great patch and help him to make it even better.
 

Sundsvall

The Super-Swede
nice that you can support ockham guys :) but i didnt thought it would go this far,untill you guys could write a small little comments,how great his work is :) :ewan:
 

Vazelos

Youth Team
The only thing I said is that OckHAM added the GMP's content in to the CEP
with out my permission... We discussed once for this but I hadn't finally agreed.
There is no other problems between us. I hadn't any problem with OckHAM.
I agree with all of you that he did a great patch and great work but i believe
that I have right and he should wait me to say the final ok.
Each one of you would make the same thing if you were in my place.
I believe that has become a simply misunderstanding between me and OckHAM
as my friend Leftos said... If OckHAM believes the same thing, I'm saying sorry,
he will say sorry too and everything is over.

Don't you thought that I'm saying all this because I want you to put the
GMP in CEP. I don't care if you don't. I really don't care!!!
I just understood that there is a misunderstanding. This is the reason.

And something else.
My Country and our league isn't rubbish as many of you said.
You can't say something like this to the European Champions... Right?
 

Comma

Youth Team
No no. I think most of you got me all wrong. I enjoy cep, and thank ockham for making it possible. I was saying, in order to make this less of a hassle, to just take out the greek league. I was NOT saying it is rubbish, nor was I saying anything bad against either Vazelos or OckHAM. I was simply stating a solution to a problem that, in my opinion, was really stupid, considering how big the cep is. I meant that if he took it out, then the cep wouldnt be any less of a patch. And, people who want to play the greek league, in all likely hood, will install Vazelos' patch anyway, as it is very well done, and more up to date.

I play as Manchester United usually. And to be honest, if I had to choose between cep and a patch made specifically for the EPL, I would definitely choose the patch specifically for the EPL, mostly because it would have finer details and all attention is paid to the EPL. Now, before you all get your panties in a bunch, that's NOT to say the CEP is a crappy patch or is stupid as it is very well made, and quite the necessity. But I am a firm believer in quality, not quantity.

Sorry for any misunderstandings
,
 

KULCAT

Youth Team
Vazelos said:
The only thing I said is that OckHAM added the GMP's content in to the CEP
with out my permission... We discussed once for this but I hadn't finally agreed.
There is no other problems between us. I hadn't any problem with OckHAM.
I agree with all of you that he did a great patch and great work but i believe
that I have right and he should wait me to say the final ok.
Each one of you would make the same thing if you were in my place.
I believe that has become a simply misunderstanding between me and OckHAM
as my friend Leftos said... If OckHAM believes the same thing, I'm saying sorry,
he will say sorry too and everything is over.

Don't you thought that I'm saying all this because I want you to put the
GMP in CEP. I don't care if you don't. I really don't care!!!
I just understood that there is a misunderstanding. This is the reason.

And something else.
My Country and our league isn't rubbish as many of you said.
You can't say something like this to the European Champions... Right?
Could you give him your permission now so we can move on from this. Id love to have the greek in league in this patch but i dont understand whats the problem with him adding your patch. I mean, you didn't ask the Greek league or its players for permission to use their logos and players right?
Lts all remember this is just "pretend" time. All this is just a game and shouldnt nbe taken so personal or even serious.
 

Billy1969

BANNED (Life)
Life Ban
KULCAT said:
I mean, you didn't ask the Greek league or its players for permission to use their logos and players right?
You didn't ask EA permission to modify or alter their game, right? That is about a question as intelligent as the one above.

About CEP, it is nice yes, but I uninstalled it because I cannot play career mode as I like, the career mode has been handicapped by reducing it to 7 years and by freezing the transfer market almost completely. That is a gamebreaker for me. Nonetheless I respect the work involved in the project.

But as I said before, it's creator should think more before doing something and not act like a complete idiot by :

- not giving credit to the persons that deserve it when said persons don't agree with him.

- not assume that everything on the internet is "open source and" can be used and abused by everyone against the will of it's author(s). And I'm not just referring to the Greek patch, this has happened twice before and I can back this statement up with links to other sites and forums.

- damaging the reputation of persons and sites in his "author's notes" just because they don't agree with his view of "open source" or don't give him permission to use their work (I expect my name and Vazelos to be added soon to said authors notes)

That is what I think, don't like it? Fine. But that's the way it is and that's the way it's going to stay, until he :

- give credit where needed
- either remove or gets permission to use the league(s) that he uses without.
- formaly apoligises to Fifamania Italia in his next authors notes.

And dear Mr. Kulcat, don't give me a speech on how this is just a game and such because a) you insulted me in this very thread a few posts back and b) you seem too much involved yourself in the CEP project (see other forums) to tell me what to take seriously and what not.

Also, instead of accepting my apologies in this thread, Mr. Ockham also asks moderators to purify this thread of people that don't agree with his point of view. A strange request from someone stating this :

OckHAM said:
Fascist.

The only thing stolen is your tollerance and good manner. Shut up and don't download it.
and this :

OckHAM said:
Loser, shut up and say me of what are u talking if you have read the readme. Don't like it? Shut up and don't download it.

This forum seems like a fascism cove anyway.
It seems that people stating such things should think twice before asking something to be moderated, no?

Anyway, I think there is too much drama in this thread atm, so I'm going to ignore it for a while I think.
 

KULCAT

Youth Team
[QUOTE=Billy1969]You didn't ask EA permission to modify or alter their game, right? That is about a question as intelligent as the one above.

Thats the whole point genius, nobody asks for permission to use EA's material although in theory everyone should since EA is paying leagues around the world to use their stuff. Ea's knows this and i bet the greek league knows this too but since there's no money or at least serious money being tossed around they couldnt care less. The should apply to Patch and Kit Makers.

.



And dear Mr. Kulcat, don't give me a speech on how this is just a game and such because a) you insulted me in this very thread a few posts back and b) you seem too much involved yourself in the CEP project (see other forums) to tell me what to take seriously and what not.


Well not as seriously as you when you drop jewels like "Don't threaten me... ever..." just after the guy warned about getting a moderator. Very Macho. Or how about when you told danish people that this(arguing with you) is why muslims hate them. Not all fun and games is it? Not mention that private message you sent me. That was some creepy sh*t.


Anyway FORGET YOU. It's not like i check this forums for other than news of what can i download for my game and if i can help the CEP, the better.
 

OckHAM

Reserve Team
What a masterpiece, Billy: your post deserves a comment for its intensity and rethorical power!

Freezing the transfer market almost completely
False, absolutely false: I'll gather around all the forums in which there are discussions about CEP screenshots of years 2008, 2009, 2010 etc. If you modify files provided with CEP is your problem. And let's take a look at your consideration about this:
Concerning the career length, I will most likely play with the modified settings for a career length of 15 years (as default in original Fifa) and not the 25 years I planned. I imagine the calculation of regenerating new players for a huge database could work on a fast machine with a lot of RAM maybe? Anyway once there is a "near final" version of CEP I will play a serious career and I'll write you my observations.
Mmm, coherent.

Not giving credit to the persons that deserve it when said persons don't agree with him.
False (beside the incert grammar: said what/who?). You did nothing for CEP except pointing to a single text database id and do two translations both with missing texts that I have to redo completely, and this is your personal quote about this:
Edit : technicaly you're right though, those translations were for 0.10, I guess you remade those for 0.11 entirely from scratch
Mmm, good memory!

Not assume that everything on the internet is "open source and" can be used and abused by everyone against the will of it's author(s). And I'm not just referring to the Greek patch, this has happened twice before and I can back this statement up with links to other sites and forums.
False. Show what are you talking about or stop blabbering and lying.

Either remove or gets permission to use the league(s) that he uses without.
Really, which ones? David Witts will manage this sort of stuff, so don't worry.

Damaging the reputation of persons and sites in his "author's notes" just because they don't agree with his view of "open source" or don't give him permission to use their work (I expect my name and Vazelos to be added soon to said authors notes)
Informing about the refusal of a website is not damaging anything, but inform about facts: I repeat: that has been the only community contacted to refuse collaboration. Even a monster of the Fifa editing as Diego Romagnoli wrote this to me just yesterday (MSN log):

Fifamania.it era en sus comienzo uno de los mejores sitios de fifa, no habia otro que hiciera los programas que ellos hacian pero llego Ariel y cambio todo. Antes ellos eran los que hacian los estadios y por supuesto hacian programas que solo ellos utilizaban y no lo compartian con la comunidad!

I know you are not able to speak and understand spanish, find a translator. About your credit: you'll be ignored, I can't include anything of yours anyway, don't worry, and I'm already at work with greek league creation.

Also, instead of accepting my apologies in this thread, Mr. Ockham also asks moderators to purify this thread of people that don't agree with his point of view.
False. It was about spamming, and no moderation happened and you KNOW it: this is what you write immediately after my request of moderation!!:
/agreed but that Kulcat idiot seduces me into spamming, the vile beast!
Mmm, good memory again! Or just keeping lying?
But let's see the great attitude to criticism and with different points of view, from his gameplay thread:
I don't get paid to do that, and only the sun comes up for free.
Great, then just uninstall it and install one that suits you better.
Mmm, disposable.

I'm going to ignore it for a while I think.
You're always on ignore mode, but still spamming here since days. I think the problem with you is that what is in ignore mode is just your gameplay that now has a better alternative: maybe this is why you're getting so completely mad since its release. Or maybe you have real real-life problems, and then you should not post before drinking a relaxing tea, that would be better for everyone here.

Formaly apoligises to Fifamania Italia in his next authors notes.
For what? To don't have included their update? I received the fifaonline.it one that's better. And just to remind you what you write about this and the "open-source" problem, here is your quote:
In fact I hope they would all make peace and that their material (referees, italian adboards, flags,...) will be added anyway in a future version, that would be so great. - 03/02/2006
Peaceful!

My "insult" quotes in your post are refered to posts against CEP by Sundsvall, with which I'm completely at peace now, who is collaborating at the CEP addon, and with which I'm preparing patches for fifasweden too... And you KNOW this too, so they are just ridicolous quotes. Both Sundsvall and Ibra, authors of these two posts, can testify about this and the absolute unfoundation of these sentences. Hey, one moment, but you KNOW this! Look what you wrote immediately after those posts!:
Hey Ockham, I want to apoligise for saying STFU in another thread also, but that was just because I found the Ockham vs. Sundsvall thing damn ridiculous, so I'm happy that is over now!
Again bad memory! What a mess: maybe other pills?

And talking about "strangely" aggressive behaviour here is a little taste of some of your best interventions, just in this thread and in billy's gameplay one (heavily censored by yourself, as you know):

That reminds me of that dumb **** moderator IceBlu Juventus clown boy in the RL soccer forums here. He makes a sport of coming into the Milan thread, insult everyone with his arrogant fag talk and then when someone tells him to piss off(me), he bans them from said forums. In real life I'd beat seven shades of **** out of peeps like that, but unfortunately since they are nowhere near, I can't loose my anger.
Dangerous!
Avok, I must congratulate you with winning the runnerup to the most idiotic irritating little fag I had the displeasure to meet on the internet. But you still got a long way to beat the champion, who lives in a forum near here, try a little more to do your best next time. Oh and btw, Even God thinks you should stfu
Gentleman.
Yes, and I'm your father, Kulcat my retard son! Come here in my arms! Now I'm going to keep an eye on you my favorite boy, you've done such bad things I'm going to have to spank you and hug you to death!
Mmm, groovy.
So yeah I like the CEP patch, I even made ******* translations for it. So read before you post comments mr. "I'm gona make caricatures and I like it" Denmark.
Scandinavish.
Don't worry, I'll leave it open to CEP suggestions, just one thing, don't threaten me. ever.
Billy, billy, you have to write "never" not "ever": your enemies will not be afraid in this way!
You're a great patchmaker Ockham, but you're about as stubburn as a damn mule, time to change because eventualy you'll see that attitude will leave many doors closed (and I'm not talking Fifa here, but life in general)
Good advice by someone who needs pills to control anger!

But there is a bit of schizofreny too, not only anger, in Billy's behaviour. let's see:

Thanks for the explanations Ockham, I hope the CEP can still grow over the Fifa versions then as it is without a doubt, besides Donovan's work, the most ambitious patch ever made for the Fifa Series. - 15/01/2006
Fantastic job on adding all those new teams, I'm really looking forward to be able to play version 0.11 and the UEFA and CL with preleminary rounds, also the full Italian Coppa and so many new South American teams - 03/02/2006
Thanks for making our Fifa a completer game! - 03/02/2006
The following is my favourite:
Also, these last few days I've been a real bitch in some of my reactions and comments, I apoligise for that, sometimes I'm saying (in RL) and writing (on the internet) stuff that I don't really mean but come out when I'm angry, that is part of my "medical" condition, no worries I take pills for it lol.
Anyway sorry again, and good luck with the next versions of CEP. - 11/02/2006
So we have another explication of Billy's anger:
I would like to do that as a full time job as I lost my main job due to health reasons after 15 years of service. (add that to my anger)
I can't put more Billy's mad quotes just for the bad attitude he has to DELETE or completely modify his posts after a couple of days.

So Billy, maybe you need a doctor: remember that libel and diffamation is not a good attitude, and the fact that you take pills to moderate your angry does not justify you to do diffamation against other persons.

CEP discussion is over here anyway.
 

Billy1969

BANNED (Life)
Life Ban
Dear Mr. Ockham,

You have said that you would leave this forum, yet after less than 24 hours here you are again with your arrogant "I can do nothing wrong" attitude. Make up your mind boy, in a while no one's, even your fan club, is going to still believe the shiat you write. In fact you deserve to be hit in the head every morning until you learn the meaning of the words "humility and respect".

You're even a bigger psycho than I thought you'd be because congrats pulling all those quotes from the forum must have cost you at least half your hard days work at the Italian government! I wonder why they still pay you if all you are doing for a job is making patches for football games lol.

In fact I was convinced you would come up with a nice response as you are such a big ego tripper that you can't resist coming posting here even if it's to write a pile of shiat like you just did LOL You pulled all those quotes totally out of context and wrote a whole nice little story with them by placing them in a total random order, nice puzzling maestro!

Ok, now besides this your CEP patch does freeze career mode when played in normal settings, re-read what I wrote, to counter that you had to :

a) shorten the career length to 7 years.
b) freeze the transfer market, IOW force the CPU to do a strict minimum on transfers on the market to prevent the freezing bug due to the database getting too big, capito?

And yes, I tried this on a clean fifa with just CEP installed, it freezes in normal settings in the january transfer window of the sixth year.

Yet you do not write this anywhere, like someone said above, nor do you write that the CEP is incompatible with the Creation centre, nor do you write it is incompatible with the Ingame editor even.


So wake up "Mr. errorfree" your patch does suck in career mode. Hey, don't you go to sleep every night in tears, like someone said you do, your boyfriend? Error is human you know, and even a überman like you does make them.

About my traductions I did, you don't even speak a word of dutch or german, so how in hell could you have redone my work from scratch Mr. Spaghetti?

Here is the page where I put on the databases : http://users.skynet.be/Billy1969/TraductionCEP.html

That is, before you ORDERED me to remove them because your "sponsors" only wanted CEP files on your site. Again, either :

a) they pay you a lot of money, congrats.
b) You wanted all the glory for yourself because you don't even stand someone that could take 1% of your "glory".

Then the nice allusion to my gameplay, LMAO it is good as it is man, it has been downloaded over 2K times at Breamster so I think it's pretty cool thank you. And I fear no competition at all as gameplay mods are a question of personal taste, difficulty or lack thereof or too much thereof included.

Obviously, I didn't quote all the things of your precedent post, you even surprised me with that response lol, I think you're the one needing pills LMAO.

Oh and btw, if you think this is getting too personal, you are the one that started getting personal in the previous post :)


Bye now, hun.
 

OckHAM

Reserve Team
Yes. This is the sort of post you are used to edit after, these are the words you are used to use: bigger psycho, stupid assclown, mr spaghetti, hun; and this is the sort of image you are used to use.
As you know german and dutch translation were done, without errors this time, by german and dutch users without anger problems; I get not a single cent for making CEP and you can take a look at real credits list in CEP to see how much I want share the results of my work with all the ones who collaborated, inform yourself before diffamating other people or you'll get other troubles in your life more than losing your job and be addicted anger so to have to assume pills. I did not order of course, Sweetpatch asked me and I kindly requested to you ;)

As I supposed and as is under the eyes of everyone you are not able to prove not a single sentence you wrote in your new anger attack: tt's very strange that 20 days ago we were freely speaking on the msn and now you became absolutely mad: you should take care of yourself, Billy, because it's evident that if you have great problems, and try to connect your self-control system before posting: in every forum with a serious moderation you'd be already banned while in real life you'd be already denounced for diffamation.
 

Comma

Youth Team
I believe we are all dumber for reading that last post OckHAM. Seriously. How's that for free defamation, as if you have any to lose. I think, out of all people on this board, you should NOT be the one giving grammar lessons in english. Secondly, Humility. Now, I wanted to put the definition, but I think you still wouldnt get the point. Why wasnt this handled like a big boy? All you had to say was, and you can quote me if you want, "Sorry kid for using your patch, but I thought you gave me permission. It was an honest mistake, and I hope we can work to rectify it. In the mean time, I can issue a 'patch' that will remove it from CEP."

Then you could have taken it from there. I bet he would have said, "no need to take it out now, we will work something out."

And btw, CEP does have some noticable flaws. Like I said in my earlier post, attention cant be paid to the smallest of details if the project is this big.

,
 

Billy1969

BANNED (Life)
Life Ban
OckHAM said:
As you know german and dutch translation were done, without errors this time, by german and dutch users without anger problems
Bull****, lies. You don't have dutch collaborators. Or maybe you forgot to put them in the credits, lol

OckHAM said:
inform yourself before diffamating other people or you'll get other troubles in your life more than losing your job and be addicted anger so to have to assume pills.
Ockham, Ockham, Ockham, here you are again with your threats, get a life dude, or get laid or something.

OckHAM said:
]tt's very strange that 20 days ago we were freely speaking on the msn and now you became absolutely mad
That was before I knew what a bastard you really are lol, during that MSN session I even told you how you could edit the copyrights messages in the database, next thing I know I see copyright Ockham everywhere and you didn't even credit me for showing that to you LOL

in every forum with a serious moderation you'd be already banned while in real life you'd be already denounced for diffamation.
That is your goal, getting everyone banned that doesn't agree with you isn't it? And about the diffamation, you took kit templates without asking, you made peace with the authors, good, but that doesn't take away the fact you took them in the first place, second you had to remove the Fifamania Superpatch from your CEP 0.9 because YOU TOOK THE FILES WITHOUT PERMISSION YET AGAIN, then any normal person would have grown a brain but NO! BAM! the same story yet again with the GREEK MEGAPATCH, I don't know how they call that in your parts, but here in Belgium they call that a thief. How's that for diffamation, huh? Also I have many other quotes and links I could post in this forum besides the two I already did, but you're just not worth my time anymore.

Piss off man, welcome to ignore, from now on I dream you, you don't exist.
 

OckHAM

Reserve Team
Billy, read the posts: you know that I realized a single special 0.9 edition to remove fifamania stuff the day after they retired the authorization they gave: it's all wrote in fifamania forum, so make a search, study italian and read, and as the author of greek patch he wrote me he was very interested in collaboration with CEP: this means I agree for the collaboration: fault of misunderstanding, I'll remove their greek teams from 0.12, don't worry. I still don't exist for you and you are still ignoring me, but we are getting more posts about this on this thread. You are still diffamating calling me thief, Billy, this is a reate. No name of translators has been included in credits, because it's a small work in comparation with the work of the others collaborators, alway as you can read: document yourself ;)

You added to your gentleman's list new words in few minutes: bull****s, piss off, bastard. Don't forget the pills, Billy.
 

fifaCCitiu.com

Senior Squad
I have collaborated since the beginning with Ockham. He isn't a thief .In the credits appear my name and I'm thanks to he that I have a good visibility in the fifaweb.He has passed much time to create the CEP, all in order to allow we to play with many teams.Gratis. I have given my support why he is a good person.I dislike the insults to a person who has given us a fifa completely new with its job.
This is the only patch that add more league and i think we need to collaborate with Ockham for a better game.
 
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