FC Barcelona 2016/2017 Thread

[ShiftyPowers]

Why would he take any of those jobs? He'll be linked with every Premier League job that comes open. Roma could make some sense, although the facilities are going to be a shocking downgrade for him, but Leverkusen would be a horrible back track for his career. You have Dortmund youth managers getting Premier League jobs.

 

[poet11]

Leverkusen has a fantastic squad. For now.

 

[Xaviesta]

Roma is better than any Premier League team available. Also, there's Monchi. The best option for him.

 

[poet11]

Roma would be stupid to overlook Eusebio Di Francesco for Tuchel. How Tuchel has handled things at BvB off the pitch and being difficult to work with-players, scout, directors- indicates he'd lose his shit at Roma for certain. Monchi or no Monchi he couldn't handle it. He has also previous at Mainz according to their ex Sporting Director.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

So where the hell is Tuchel going, then?

Shanghai.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I think a yet-to-be-established dutch or German manager would be nuts to go to Italy. Anti-Italian prejudice against managers there is huge. They chewed De Boer up and spat him out.

 

[ChungaHungry]

Roma would be stupid to overlook Eusebio Di Francesco for Tuchel.

Yeah, he's basically already been appointed at Roma.

I think a yet-to-be-established dutch or German manager would be nuts to go to Italy. Anti-Italian prejudice against managers there is huge. They chewed De Boer up and spat him out.

This is true, and not just for Dutch and Germans. Luis Enrique was Roma's De Boer. And actually, Inter Milan do that to established foreign managers too. Just look at Rafa Benitez.

But to be fair, they have more managerial talent than anyone else. 3 of the top 4 European leagues were won by an Italian this season.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Leverkusen has a fantastic squad. For now.

You might want to look at the Bundesliga table. They finished 12th in an 18 team league. 4 points off relegation. The only players they have that I would want at my club are 17 year old Kai Havertz, who is a real phenom, and Benjamin Henrichs. Everyone else is pretty overrated from Chicharito to Bellerabi to Leno to Calhanogllu.

 

[poet11]

You might want to look at the Bundesliga table. They finished 12th in an 18 team league. 4 points off relegation. The only players they have that I would want at my club are 17 year old Kai Havertz, who is a real phenom, and Benjamin Henrichs. Everyone else is pretty overrated from Chicharito to Bellerabi to Leno to Calhanogllu.

Jonathan Tah, Bender, Wendell, Leon Bailey, Brandt, Dragovic, Baumgartlinger, Volland and those you mention are still good players who under better management would do better. They achieved good results even before some of those players arrived or broke through.

BvB under Klopp were fighting relegation FFS. Shit happens.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

Some people are rating Keida at leipzig at 50m and think Liverpool and others might be in for him... having seen him play live I don't see it...

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[Sir Didier Drogba]

Yeah, he's basically already been appointed at Roma.


This is true, and not just for Dutch and Germans. Luis Enrique was Roma's De Boer. And actually, Inter Milan do that to established foreign managers too. Just look at Rafa Benitez.

But to be fair, they have more managerial talent than anyone else. 3 of the top 4 European leagues were won by an Italian this season.

Yeah, they're great, but there has always been this competition between the Dutch expansive 'total football' coaching styles and the tight, drilled Italian style... most exemplified by Cruyff vs Sacchi, ... these Klopp/tuchel Germans seem to have taken the baton from the Dutch and the Italians have never fully trusted it

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[Juventino]

Sacchi was actually a great believer in Total Football and Cruijff, Cruijff was a huge influence on him during his Milan days. He even gave a seminar recently on Cruijff and Total Football (''2.0'') at the KNVB (Dutch FA). I also saw a documentary on Cruijff's heritage and Sacchi was one of the main interviewees alongside Guardiola. Sacchi's style was a far cry from traditional Italian coaching styles at the time, which were mainly inspired by Herrera's 60's catenaccio.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I saw an interview with ruud guillit about Sacchi coaching techniques and he said it was all drills drills drills - Sacchi aim was to drill out spontaneous play and propensity for error and create a 'football machine' with interchangeable parts if one man got injured... yes it's not catenaccio but it's not exactly total football either

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[Juventino]

Ah, yeah. That's interesting. It's funny how each coach or player will interpret it differently. Of course Total Football is incredibly influential and romanticized, any coach will claim it had an influence.

There's a pretty funny or telling story about this game of ideas vs. players skill, told by a Dutch journalist covering Cruijff in the 70's. After each team meeting with Rinus Michels the Ajax players would step out in the hallway, laugh about what Michels had just told them, and just make new game plans or assignments on their own. According to them, they would've lost every game had they listened to Michels. Michels would just let it go and not talk about it. In football history and the media Michels was the brain behind Total Football, but eventually it just came down to the skill and inventive nature of his players, Cruijff's genius especially. The same probably goes for Sacchi's Milan with Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard.

 

[Juventino]

One more funny story to share on Gullit and Sacchi. Sacchi was a notorious Peeping Tom. After games he'd stand in a corner and peep at his players under the shower. Gullit, naked and showering with Maldini and company, told Sacchi a story about a guy in Amsterdam with a 1 meter dick. An incredibly rare condition, all he could use it for was taking a piss. He tied it around his waist and was deeply unhappy with it. He decides to see a plastic surgeon and after hours of difficult surgery, the doctor was finally able to remove 75 cm of his dick. Two months later the bandaging is finally removed and the dude goes out to party, has sex with prostitutes and goes on a drunken spree with his doctor. When they're both hammered, the guy asks the doctor, ''whatever happened to the 75 cm?''. The doctor replies: ''Oh, we bought it a little wig and made it head coach of Milan''.

Maldini and all the Italians were mortified, coaches were sacred in Italy. Gullit didn't care. The Dutch contempt for coaches is pretty obvious, haha.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Ajax was very regimented as was it's baby tiki-taka. All this talk about creativity is complete bullshit. The Dutch and Spanish style is not like a Brazilian style, it all starts with defense. Listen to Pep talk about football and he says he spends all of his time on defense and his whole plan for the final third of the pitch is "you are the stars, figure it out". Total Football was "Clockwork Orange", not "Freedom". Clocks don't decide what time it is on a whim, they are always ticking away at the same pace. Those systems were positional and highly highly regimented; completely not free. It's been romanticized and of course some great players would do incredible things, but that had nothing to do with the system or the coaching. Cryuff and Pep would drill their players into making the "correct" decisions. The correct decision is not arbitrary, it is ONE CORRECT decision. That's not freedom for the player.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

One more funny story to share on Gullit and Sacchi. Sacchi was a notorious Peeping Tom. After games he'd stand in a corner and peep at his players under the shower. Gullit, naked and showering with Maldini and company, told Sacchi a story about a guy in Amsterdam with a 1 meter dick. An incredibly rare condition, all he could use it for was taking a piss. He tied it around his waist and was deeply unhappy with it. He decides to see a plastic surgeon and after hours of difficult surgery, the doctor was finally able to remove 75 cm of his dick. Two months later the bandaging is finally removed and the dude goes out to party, has sex with prostitutes and goes on a drunken spree with his doctor. When they're both hammered, the guy asks the doctor, ''whatever happened to the 75 cm?''. The doctor replies: ''Oh, we bought it a little wig and made it head coach of Milan''.

Maldini and all the Italians were mortified, coaches were sacred in Italy. Gullit didn't care. The Dutch contempt for coaches is pretty obvious, haha.

Oh no.... and at 71 he's just coming up to the right age for a historical pedophile scandal/exposure

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

Ajax was very regimented as was it's baby tiki-taka. All this talk about creativity is complete bullshit. The Dutch and Spanish style is not like a Brazilian style, it all starts with defense. Listen to Pep talk about football and he says he spends all of his time on defense and his whole plan for the final third of the pitch is "you are the stars, figure it out". Total Football was "Clockwork Orange", not "Freedom". Clocks don't decide what time it is on a whim, they are always ticking away at the same pace. Those systems were positional and highly highly regimented; completely not free. It's been romanticized and of course some great players would do incredible things, but that had nothing to do with the system or the coaching. Cryuff and Pep would drill their players into making the "correct" decisions. The correct decision is not arbitrary, it is ONE CORRECT decision. That's not freedom for the player.

I get that's it's all about training /sharpening reactions, improving vision and range of passing, bolstering natural technique etc until I becomes ingrained - but this is mostly about arming players with the tools so as to optimize the possible/capable reactions in each and every situation. Like sharpening a boxer to automatically block every punch or swing every time the opponent shows a mm of chin. You are taking a creative player and optimizing his skills so he can do the most he can with his creativity, no?

 

[poet11]

Some people are rating Keida at leipzig at 50m and think Liverpool and others might be in for him... having seen him play live I don't see it...

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He is the one I want in midfield. Super player.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

On the Tuchel front, apparently Southampton are going to try to attract him.

And going the other way, Dortmund want Favre (despite the fact his last spell in Germany was a disaster)