[DOWNLOAD] Classic Patch 14

MadbaLL

Club Supporter
I have been doubting the future 4.0 for several weeks. In fact, I also took a break to understand how to solve it. As you know in the future the databases (DECADES, the others no longer exist at the moment) will have the possibility of having the entire leagues for the top 5 European nations. This leads me to have two problems, let's say annoyances. DLC management and referee management.

The idea is to split the current decades into clubs and national teams.

By implementing this division I have a more serene DLC management. (You know that every time I add something I have to rearrange the stadiums assigned for the various World or European Championships. In the long run it becomes boring) and a perfect management for the referees. Because if there are leagues like Serie A or Premier League I have to assign referees to those leagues. But the referee slots are not infinite. If, for example, Pierluigi Collina is already assigned to WC 1998, WC 2002, Euro 2000 and so on, I will not have the slots to place him in Serie A 1997-98 or 1998-99. As a result, if I were to play a 1997-98 Serie A match, I would end up with a German, Spanish or Brazilian referee.

The problem is that I don't know how to divide the national teams without creating a lot of DBs. The current NATIONAL TEAMS database will not hold up for much longer, it is now close to reaching all operating limits.

to create two databases for each decade?
+ DB + 1990's (NT)
+ DB + 1990's (Club)

I am aware that a tournament division

DB World Cup
DB Euro Cup
DB Olympic Games
DB Other Tournaments

It would lead to the loss of interest such as the Olympics, the Confederations Cup, and smaller smaller tournaments such as Umbro Cup, Tournament of France and International Cup.

my subjective opinion is no.

i would not sacrifice national teams being moved into another db for having low class teams from leagues included.

it's your decision, i'm sure you will do the best, but i had to say my honest opinion.
 

V.K

Starting XI
to create two databases for each decade?
+ DB + 1990's (NT)
+ DB + 1990's (Club)
Old fans of the patch remember when this was the original system: NTs and clubs. Then they were were combined into Unica and that was a big achievement.

Strictly personal opinion: I prefer having everything in the same database and I don't play with 5-year teams at all.
So perfect Database version for me would be all single year teams, going from the most recent (WC2018/EU2021) and back as much as possible (be it the 90s, the 80s or the 20s) before a split into a different DB is needed.

However, the current system with all teams from a single season in the same "league" is very convenient as with this league ID we can assign adboards, kit overlays, tournament dressing, etc to a single UCL season 'friendly' matches.
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
The fact is that we have now made the main European cup, so we are talking about a closed project now. I will hardly be able to extend the years 70-60-50. The data for certain teams are not found so they are not feasible.

Now I have to work on another, new project.

I want to do Serie A and I will do it. I like low-ranking teams because I support a low-ranking team, actually now in Serie B (Cagliari). In my football life, games with low-ranked teams have always been more important for ranking reasons. I was hardly interested in seeing Cagliari - Juventus. I know that I risk losing 9 times out of 10. At the same time, however, I give everyone to make the leagues or teams of a certain championship (the tournament one can also be created with 5-6 teams and expand it with the themes they prefer ). I only have two small problems to solve.

1) it is annoying to have to rearrange the stadiums for the World Cup or the Euro every time if you add something to the DLC.
If I split NT as a club I would not have this problem every time because I find myself in a DLC with national competitions, where development has been complete for a long time, isolated from the club side where there is still a lot to do and where.

2) management of referees. Currently the referees are set up for national competitions (WC, Euro, Conf) and there are not many slots for national leagues of course. Even there having two databases I find myself the same referee with two different settings. On the DB of the Nationals the current setting. On the DB club instead in its specific league, for 10 seasons, therefore total coverage of the decade for the clubs.

I have to find a solution
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
We are discussing the issues with ACICOG via ********. I think referees issue can also be solved with some clones if it should occur. But the DLC problem remains a serious problem for those who work there. As said before. Resetting stadiums for national team competitions every time is stressful. If I change a cup I have to redo all the settings, if I add a cup I have to redo all the settings.
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
Imo you can divide clubs from national teams, because well...clubs don't play against national teams.
exact. the logical idea is that. A club does not face a national team. Then clear. A friendly guy does what he wants. The problem is not for those who play but for those who edit. Doubling the databases means doubling, in some cases, the modification of a player in the various databases. As I said yesterday. if I activate a face, I change a shoe or Overall I have to update more databases. I will probably leave things as they are now and postpone the problem in the future. For the referees, I believe a half solution has been found. But I still have the annoyance (not the problem) of the DLC
 

M8no2001

Reserves
Imo you can divide clubs from national teams, because well...clubs don't play against national teams.
It is not to play with a club team against a national team
It’s the idea of unica to have both in one DB so to play UCL and WC and EC without changing DB / DLC
But of course we all have to accept the way the editors choose
In any case the patch is an absolute masterpiece
 

Skoczek

Starting XI
It is not to play with a club team against a national team
It’s the idea of unica to have both in one DB so to play UCL and WC and EC without changing DB / DLC
But of course we all have to accept the way the editors choose
In any case the patch is an absolute masterpiece
The way creator wants and compromises
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
Well, decided. The "5-year teams" from 4.0 will be teams that can be used in friendlies and that's it. In a few days I will be removing the mega tournament from the DLCs and the referees' assignments for those leagues. Then slowly over the course of months I will eliminate specific face assignments. This elimination should primarily affect the 1990 and 2000 DB to begin with. Since the bulk of the graphic work is there.
 

DeWoo

Club Supporter
Well, decided. The "5-year teams" from 4.0 will be teams that can be used in friendlies and that's it. In a few days I will be removing the mega tournament from the DLCs and the referees' assignments for those leagues. Then slowly over the course of months I will eliminate specific face assignments. This elimination should primarily affect the 1990 and 2000 DB to begin with. Since the bulk of the graphic work is there.
Oh... You put so much time and effort to do many great specific face/hair assignments to remove it now? Is it really necessary? And if so, will you anyway include in the next month release lately published specific faces of Totti, Figo, Batistuta etc.? At least for that last time.
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
Oh... You put so much time and effort to do many great specific face/hair assignments to remove it now? Is it really necessary? And if so, will you anyway include in the next month release lately published specific faces of Totti, Figo, Batistuta etc.? At least for that last time.
remove them in the "5 year teams". Not from the whole patch. I will reuse the IDs of the "5 years teams" so those settings are useless to leave them in the folder. Figo is also set in Portotallo 1994, Batistuta Argentina 1992 and 1994 and Fiorentina 1993-94, 1994-95 currently
 

edy

Youth Team
Oh my days....
I was 3 days offline and I lost so much information about the patch
Anyway, the db's and the dlc's are the most annoying part of the patch for a fifa editor, and now that I've learned how to basically create a patch and started one(romanian classic patch) i can feel the nervousness and the panic you have when you make something wrong and it gives you errors, especially the formations. So good luck with the changes.
 

Ale MI

Club Supporter
Se puo' essere utile..

Se vuoi mettere o prevedere slot x i 5 campionati europei più importanti (italia, spagna, francia, germania, inghilterra) secondo me bisogna calcolare 100 slot x ogni anno, quindi verrebbe fuori un db di 10 anni, ma senza le coppe

Se invece si vuole mettere anche le coppe bisogna aggiungere altri 50 slot x anno, quindi ti verrebbe un db completo di 5 anni

io ti consiglierei di tenere 1 db per le nazionali, 1 db per le coppe europee e 1 db per i campionatii (nel nostro caso italiano). poi se qualcuno vuole creare il proprio campionato in un determinato anno si possono lasciare liberi degli slot. oppure ognuno si crea un suo db con i campionati che vuole

come ho detto ad acicog fin da subito, secondo me non era una buona idea quella delle squadre quinquennali (piùttosto era meglio quadriennale da un mondiale all'altro) xche' ci sarebbero stati tanti giocatori doppi nella stessa partita (x esempio matthaus se si faceva inter-bayern), oppure anche giocatori della stessa squadra che giocano insieme quando invece uno dei 2 si e' ritirato da tempo (un giocatore ritirato nel 90 insieme ad uno del 1995 che nella realta' invece non si sono mai incontrati) e non sarebbe stato realistico. come gli avevo detto, io avevo creato un db con le coppe europee anni 90, ma con la rottura dell'hard disk avevo perso tutto.

io infatti le squadre quinquennali non le ho mai usate.

adesso nella conversione dalla cp14 alla 16 ho diviso cosi: nazionali (ho accorciato le olimpiadi e inserito la coppa america centenario 2016), 1955/56-79/80 (al massimo 32 squadre per anno dipende da cosa si trova sul web), 1980/81-1999/2000 (al massimo 50 squadre per anno) cosi' divise: 16 squadre di coppa campioni + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, 16 squadre di coppa uefa + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, 8 squadre di coppa delle coppe + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, la finalista di supercoppa europea, la finalista di coppa libertadores in modo da avere tutte le competizoini internazionali. per gli anni 90 ero al 75% senza tutti i kit, ma non ho piu' niente. e lo avevo fatto partendo dalla conversione della cp14 piu' i giocatori mancanti creati da me

tu potresti aggiungere il db dei campionati

io ho 4 db: nazionali, 1988/89 per la carriera, 1955-80 e 1980-2000. con i campionati sarebbero 5
 
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GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
Se puo' essere utile..

Se vuoi mettere o prevedere slot x i 5 campionati europei più importanti (italia, spagna, francia, germania, inghilterra) secondo me bisogna calcolare 100 slot x ogni anno, quindi verrebbe fuori un db di 10 anni, ma senza le coppe

Se invece si vuole mettere anche le coppe bisogna aggiungere altri 50 slot x anno, quindi ti verrebbe un db completo di 5 anni

io ti consiglierei di tenere 1 db per le nazionali, 1 db per le coppe europee e 1 db per i campionatii (nel nostro caso italiano). poi se qualcuno vuole creare il proprio campionato in un determinato anno si possono lasciare liberi degli slot. oppure ognuno si crea un suo db con i campionati che vuole

come ho detto ad acicog fin da subito, secondo me non era una buona idea quella delle squadre quinquennali (piùttosto era meglio quadriennale da un mondiale all'altro) xche' ci sarebbero stati tanti giocatori doppi nella stessa partita (x esempio matthaus se si faceva inter-bayern), oppure anche giocatori della stessa squadra che giocano insieme quando invece uno dei 2 si e' ritirato da tempo (un giocatore ritirato nel 90 insieme ad uno del 1995 che nella realta' invece non si sono mai incontrati) e non sarebbe stato realistico. come gli avevo detto, io avevo creato un db con le coppe europee anni 90, ma con la rottura dell'hard disk avevo perso tutto.

io infatti le squadre quinquennali non le ho mai usate.

adesso nella conversione dalla cp14 alla 16 ho diviso cosi: nazionali (ho accorciato le olimpiadi e inserito la coppa america centenario 2016), 1955/56-79/80 (al massimo 32 squadre per anno dipende da cosa si trova sul web), 1980/81-1999/2000 (al massimo 50 squadre per anno) cosi' divise: 16 squadre di coppa campioni + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, 16 squadre di coppa uefa + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, 8 squadre di coppa delle coppe + 1 o 2 big match del turno precedente, la finalista di supercoppa europea, la finalista di coppa libertadores in modo da avere tutte le competizoini internazionali. per gli anni 90 ero al 75% senza tutti i kit, ma non ho piu' niente. e lo avevo fatto partendo dalla conversione della cp14 piu' i giocatori mancanti creati da me

tu potresti aggiungere il db dei campionati

io ho 4 db: nazionali, 1988/89 per la carriera, 1955-80 e 1980-2000. con i campionati sarebbero 5
è già tutto pronto da maggio. Ho calcolato ID per le top 5 leghe dal 1869-70 al 2029-30 (quindi molti ID sono messi per precauzione, qualcuno non funzioni) divisi in decade. La patch tiene in considerazione il funzionamento in modalità torneo. Ci interessano solo la Coppa campioni e le leghe nazionali. Coppa Uefa e Coppa delle Coppe potremmo e angiungeremo squadre sicuramente ma non i tornei. Al momento ogni decade ha già tutte le leghe create fino al 1955-56 e i dlc con questo sistema sono più leggeri perché un torneo prende poche righe di testo su DLC. Teoricamente posso creare già ogni campionato citato nel DLC. Ho visto che se faccio le modifiche che mi servono ad ampliare il torneo con l'aggiunta di una o più squadre e rimettendo un file utile per non perdere il setting degli stadi tutto resta perfetto. Non perdo informazioni. Poi con questo sistema soprattuto si ha una scelta immediata nelle squadre nei menù. Attualmente se devo cercare una squadra come Milan, Manchester o Parma devo sfogliare il menù scorrendo un bel po' di squadre. Ora si cambia lega e si prende la squadra in poche mosse, come nei menu di fifa default.

Le squadre quinquennali nascono dopo. La patch doveva fermarsi con i mondiali dal 1930 al 1998. Poi son stato spinto dall'entusiamo di chi segue a creare squadre divise in blocchi che riprendessero ciò che avevo fatto nella Classic per FIFA 07 e per FIFA 10 (allora divise in decadi per motivi di spazio). In ragionamento la divisione 5 anni è perfetta fino alla sentenza Bosman. Dopo quella sentenza il mercato è impazzito rendendo difficile creare le squadre 5 anni (ora come ora anche triennali sarebbe difficile). Era un sistema utile per avere delle squadre che rispecchiassero quel periodo, sopratutto in amichevole.

Poi siamo passati alle squadre singola stagione lentamente partendo dalle finaliste della Champions League ed eccoci qua con tutte le UCL complete dal 1989-90 al 2009-10, le top 16 per le altre decadi, le finaliste delle coppe Europee, i campioni nazionali per le top 5 leghe e l'intera Serie A 94-95, 95-96, 96-97, 97-98, 98-99, 99-00 e presto inizierò la Serie A 93-94.

Ma tutto è nato guardando quello che già si aveva in 9 anni di studi su come gestire i database. Le squadre singola stagione si possono fare ora con più facilità perché abbiamo una copertuta ottimale grazie alle squadre 5 anni, abbiamo creato un parco giocatori da dove attingere. Se non fossero state create le squadre 5 anni non ci sarebbero state le squadre singola stagione. Sarebbe stato un lavoro troppo faticoso.

Noi non ci stiamo ponendo limiti per le squadre singola stagione. Chiaro ci interessano le squadre più importanti e dei campionati più importanti. Ma, a me personalmente, piacerebbe avere squadre tipo Borussia Neunkirchen 64-65 per citarne una a caso.


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In english

everything is ready since May. I calculated IDs for the top 5 leagues from 1869-70 to 2029-30 (so many IDs are put as a precaution, some don't work) divided into decades. The patch takes into account operation in tournament mode. We are only interested in the Champions Cup and national leagues. Uefa Cup and Cup Winners' Cup we could and will certainly angiungiamo teams but not tournaments. At the moment each decade already has all the leagues created up to 1955-56 and the dlc with this system are lighter because a tournament takes a few lines of text on DLC. Theoretically I can already create every league mentioned in the DLC. I saw that if I make the changes I need to expand the tournament by adding one or more teams and putting back a file that is useful in order not to lose the settings of the stadiums, everything remains perfect. I don't lose information. Then with this system above all you have an immediate choice in the teams in the menus. Currently, if I have to look for a team like Milan, Manchester or Parma I have to browse the menu by scrolling through a lot of teams. Now change league and take the team in a few moves, like in the fifa default menus.

Five-year teams are born later. The patch had to stop with the World Cup from 1930 to 1998. Then I was pushed by the enthusiasm of those who follow to create teams divided into blocks that resume what I had done in the Classic for FIFA 07 and FIFA 10 (then divided into decades for reasons of space). In reasoning, the 5-year division is perfect up to the Bosman ruling. After that ruling, the market went crazy making it difficult to create 5-year teams (right now even three-year ones would be difficult). It was a useful system to have teams that reflected that period, especially in friendly matches.

Then we moved on to the single season teams slowly starting from the Champions League finalists and here we are with all the complete UCLs from 1989-90 to 2009-10, the top 16 for the other decades, the finalists of the European cups, the national champions for the top 5 leagues and the whole Serie A 94-95, 95-96, 96-97, 97-98, 98-99, 99-00 and soon I will start the Serie A 93-94.

But it all started looking at what you already had in 9 years of studying how to manage databases. Single season teams can now be done more easily because we have an optimal coverage thanks to 5-year teams, we have created a pool of players to draw from. If the 5-year teams had not been created, there would have been no single season teams. It would have been too hard work

We are not setting limits for single season teams. Of course we are interested in the most important teams and the most important leagues. But, to me personally, I would like to have teams like Borussia Neunkirchen 64-65 to name one at random.
 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
This is the current list of IDs I have programmed.

ID ITA (Serie A)
ID ENG (First Division, Premier League)
ID ESP (La Liga)
ID GER (Oberliga, Bundesliga)
IF FRA (Division 1, Leagu 1)
ID ROW (the current FIFA folder - Example FIFA 82-83- with the teams of that year)
ID NAT (In theory I wanted to put the national teams, but I saw that it was a crap and therefore these slots are for future development -I was thinking of a small Serie B with limited teams-)

IDs in green are the leagues already created in the databases.

 

GIGGIRIVA

Starting XI
One question, why not Borussia Neunkirchen 1963-64, as they won Regionaliga Südwest then?
from 1963-64 in Germany the Reginaliga was the second level of the German championship. The first level, the Bundesliga, was born in 1963-64. While until the previous season there was the Oberliga (championship divided into regional zones) where the winners of the various Regionalliga went to compete for the title with a group system and with a championship final. This system was established after the war in place of the Nazi-era Gauliga.
 


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