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Chelsea F.C [2009-2010]
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Just have to say that everything went wrong in the match. We really do miss Bosingwa. The flanks look unbalanced even if Ivanovic isn't doing much wrong atm, but Bosingwa offers more pace and delivery from the right hand side.
As for the penalty, Lamps could've have taken it better but its only his 2nd start for us since coming back injured while on duty England. So he isn't really up and running yet. Still poor penalty nonetheless.
City simply looked like they wanted to win it more than us. Similar story to Wigan and Villa away.
As for the penalty, Lamps could've have taken it better but its only his 2nd start for us since coming back injured while on duty England. So he isn't really up and running yet. Still poor penalty nonetheless.
City simply looked like they wanted to win it more than us. Similar story to Wigan and Villa away.
Nady;2775360 said:
My point of it being poor because it wasn't how Lamps usually takes a penalty. He usually adds a bit of stutter in the last minute, like Ronaldo and Figo but not as obvious. So I was a bit suprised when he just didn't go with the usual.
Given saw his penalty all the way. But this week even Ballack missed his penalty. So Frank's going to have good company when they go to the training ground to work on their PKs.
ade, we were in a much worse position last season.
I thought the way the goals came against us, it wasn't much we could do about it. The ball struck Richard's hand and went straight to Adebayor. And they scored another goal from the free-kick.
City had more tenacity in most of the match. We just didn't come out of our cave. We had the chances to score but we should've been more clinical.
So Howard "Ovrebo" Webb had a good game then yeah?
Once again the referee was the difference in this game. Sure he got the corner decision wrong, but that didn't directly lead to our goal, City failed to clear the ball when they had the chance. We pumped it back in and scored.
After that Webb gave everything to City by ignoring 3 handballs by them, one in our area and two in theirs. Twice our players were hauled to the ground in their area only for Webb to ignore them. Then the ridiculous free kick that was given to City when Tevez jumped into Ricci, but Webb gave it to them anyway.
Webb was out to make a name for himself building up to the World Cup. He wants to be there and for that to happen he needs to be noticed. Well he was noticed all right but for all the wrong reasons. How can a FIFA recognised ref go into a game and completely fu<k it up?
Webb was more than useless, and I cannot understand why his part in all this has been ignored. Webb is the new Graham Poll, who was himself an absolute wanker of a referee.
I'm no City hater by a long shot. In fact I see there a club who have gone forward in a similar way to us, and for that I am on their side against all the moronic haters, but if we are going to talk about the games, lets talk honestly and without spite.
I don't begrudge City the win, but I do object to the influence that a referee once again blatently had on a result. It's pathetic for what is supposed to be one of the top leagues in the World.
Once again the referee was the difference in this game. Sure he got the corner decision wrong, but that didn't directly lead to our goal, City failed to clear the ball when they had the chance. We pumped it back in and scored.
After that Webb gave everything to City by ignoring 3 handballs by them, one in our area and two in theirs. Twice our players were hauled to the ground in their area only for Webb to ignore them. Then the ridiculous free kick that was given to City when Tevez jumped into Ricci, but Webb gave it to them anyway.
Webb was out to make a name for himself building up to the World Cup. He wants to be there and for that to happen he needs to be noticed. Well he was noticed all right but for all the wrong reasons. How can a FIFA recognised ref go into a game and completely fu<k it up?
Webb was more than useless, and I cannot understand why his part in all this has been ignored. Webb is the new Graham Poll, who was himself an absolute wanker of a referee.
I'm no City hater by a long shot. In fact I see there a club who have gone forward in a similar way to us, and for that I am on their side against all the moronic haters, but if we are going to talk about the games, lets talk honestly and without spite.
I don't begrudge City the win, but I do object to the influence that a referee once again blatently had on a result. It's pathetic for what is supposed to be one of the top leagues in the World.
Chelsea-Everton 3-3 ::: goals
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Congratulations. I clearly support a group of players that couldn't give a flying f*ck about winning this title, managed by a man who wastes more effort in blaming referees and screaming at officials than he does his players.
I think I may follow their lead, because if the players on obscene wages can't give a damn, then why the f*ck should I?
I think I may follow their lead, because if the players on obscene wages can't give a damn, then why the f*ck should I?
MikeyM;2779325 said:
Steady there Mikey, we all have to put up with the crap sometimes as well as the good, but I know what you mean mate.
I watched your game today and I don't actually think that the effort was missing at all. I saw plenty of effort, but I also saw too many United players who are, for whatever reason not good enough at this moment in time to wear the shirt mate.
Most of your starting 11 today would count themselves damned lucky to make the subs bench of past Manchester United sides. Whether it's lack of funds or whatever, Fergie is simply stuck with what he's got, and what he's got just aint good enough mate. Fergie knows it too, which is why his frustrations on the touchline this season have reached such an hysterical level.
Given the choice, would he normally be scouring the football world for players who are cheap, or who cost nothing, or using young players who have not yet reached the desired level? I think not. The skills are just not there to see.
I think they try hard but they are simply not good enough as players, and when your best players have an off day, then that's the time that the rest of them look like the very ordinary players that they are.
..and yet Manchester United are still sitting 2nd in the table, which owes more to the failings of the opposition and closest rivals than the performances from the United team this season.
Carrick, Brown, Evans, Fletcher, Valencia, Nani, Anderson, Berbatov, Park, O'Shea, Welbeck, Macheda, Gibson and De Lait. These are the players who do not become great players simply by putting on a United shirt. They are ordinary run of the mill players who might be better in a few years time, (at least the younger ones), but are not yet quality enough for regular first team football in the colours of Man U.
Thanks to the Glazers mate, this is the position that Fergie finds himself in. It's tough for the fans to take, and you have to ride the storm, but it won't be like this forever. Sooner or later there will hopefully for you, be money available, or some of those players previously mentioned might blossom. Until then you just have to roll with it mate.
3 strikers on the field at the same time and none of them looked like scoring today, and worse than that, there was and is no delivery from the wings from this team. Valencia runs like a puma but he cannot cross a ball to save his life. Eight crosses today and not one was any good.
You watched the game today I presume. Have you read the match report on the club website? It says that United simply couldn't get into top gear today. Unfortunately as you and I know, today's showing was as close to top gear as these players can manage.
It takes a lot more than effort, committment and the ability to run fast, or the ability to bundle someone to the floor to be a great player, it also takes skills, but at the moment it seems that these players have more effort to offer than talent.
Still with all that being said, you are still doing pretty good this season so far are you not? So get over the dropped points today mate and keep the faith. I know you will. You're in it for life my friend, just like the rest of us.
Chelsea 3-Everton 3.
Have you ever seen 3 luckier goals in one game than Evertons? Damn when the luck aint with you it's surely against you. Still it was a great game to watch and I enjoyed every moment, (apart from their goals of course).
Both sides played really well and I don't think either team deserved to lose TBH.
Mind you if United would have got anything today, then perhaps I might not be so generous, but as they dropped 3 points (sorry Mikey), after we dropped 2, I am happy with the days events.
I thought we had blown it today before the United game, but it seems that we have a reprieve. I hope we do not waste it because today was too close for comfort, and I don't know if the old ticker can take much more.
pede54;2779385 said:
Starter, bench, bench, starter, starter, bench, bench, starter, bench, bench, bench, bench, bench, bench.
Don't know what you are on about, but our squad can match anybody in the world. Yeah, not everybody is playing on form but these things happen to teams after the man who they built a team around leaves. As for the funds not being available to spend, you don't really believe that do you? Weren't you one of the people defending Chelsea's spending policy by bringing United as an example? Not all 30 million pound buys turn out amazing, especially right away and its not our fault that Manchester's weather doesn't hold a torch to Spanish sun and beaches. Our squad is just fine. One of the best if not the best defenses in the world and attack that can compete with anybody. Yeah i would have like to keep Ronaldo and sign Kaka as well, but Ronaldo already won everything he possibly could at United and the weather just doesn't look too attractive to Kaka, as Madrid's. Besides Manchester just doesn't have the same prestige in the hearts of latin players as Madrid or Barcelona do. Chelsea, have bigger transfer problems than we do, who did you have to bring on today to save the game, Borini?
Not attacking you or Chelsea man, but you make our situation sound like a complete ****hole and pretty much discrediting all our results from this season.
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pede54;2779385 said:
Well this is the team that won the league for 3 consecutive seasons reaching the CL final twice a row. How do you explain that? We lose 1 single game and that's how people react.
And btw, most of the players you pointed out are those who are most likely to be seen in the league cup or when we are in injury crisis. At least we got these young potential talents. What do Chelsea have? Chelsea's young players are worse. Can you win the league cup with your young players? You can't even qualify with your first team...
Look at your own young players before judging the likes of Macheda, Gibson, De Laet, Welbeck, etc coz Chelsea's academy is nowhere even close to that.
Thanks to the Glazers? We won the league 3 times and Champions league 1 time during the time they have been here
They didn't have a massive impact on our game thankfully.Man you know the truth but you are too conditioned to see it, or admit to it.
One of the best squads and defences in the World? You are having a laugh mate. Perhaps in the past but not these days. Kusack (sp), Brown, Fletcher, Neville? Rio will never be the same player, Vidic is strong,(putting it politely), and that's all he's got. Evra is fast in attack but not great as a defender. He's good but certainly not great.
You manage for sure, but believe me man, Uniteds defence do not scare anyone anymore. For every good defender you have 3 average or below average ones.
Best attack? Your midfield are either too old = too slow, or under talented = Carrick, Anderson, Valencia and anyone else apart from Rooney. Three strikers on today and they did ZILCH. Rooney, Berbatov and Owen could not hit a barn door today. That was down to them AND the non existant supply from midfield. Rooney looks like the only man on the pitch in red. He's all over the place. Why? Because he knows he has to be. Because he knows his team mates cannot do the job. He doesn't trust them. Thats why he's in defence, midfield and attack every game.
Now if you are happy with the return that Berba gives to you then fine. Owen is and always will be class, but surrounded by numbskulls he doesn't stand a chance, unless the opposition is p1ss poor.
It's sad for United fans I know it is, but I actually wasn't having a dig at United Help, I was pointing out what I see. Not just today but this season. I know the reasons why this season is difficult for United. I pointed out most of them myself, but the Manc weather has nothing to do with it at all. It's all about a lack of available money. That's the truth and if you can't see that then I just don't know.
The Glazers take everything to pay off the debt. They have just re-financed the loan too, which will result in them taking an even bigger wad from Fergie's hands. Where's the Ronaldo money gone? Fergie aint got it so who has?
It's a fact that the money that United have always had available just aint there any more, and you or I don't know if it will ever be available again do we? So like I said to Mikey, you have to go with the flow and see how it all pans out over the years.
Yeah, and we might have brought on Borini today, a lad from the Acadamy, becuase that's what Ancellotti does. He gives our kids a runout sometimes. Not because he has to but because he WANTS to.
We do not have the need to start a match with 8 or 9 players who are still learning the game as United are doing. The fact that some of those players even take the field must tell you something man.
One of the best squads and defences in the World? You are having a laugh mate. Perhaps in the past but not these days. Kusack (sp), Brown, Fletcher, Neville? Rio will never be the same player, Vidic is strong,(putting it politely), and that's all he's got. Evra is fast in attack but not great as a defender. He's good but certainly not great.
You manage for sure, but believe me man, Uniteds defence do not scare anyone anymore. For every good defender you have 3 average or below average ones.
Best attack? Your midfield are either too old = too slow, or under talented = Carrick, Anderson, Valencia and anyone else apart from Rooney. Three strikers on today and they did ZILCH. Rooney, Berbatov and Owen could not hit a barn door today. That was down to them AND the non existant supply from midfield. Rooney looks like the only man on the pitch in red. He's all over the place. Why? Because he knows he has to be. Because he knows his team mates cannot do the job. He doesn't trust them. Thats why he's in defence, midfield and attack every game.
Now if you are happy with the return that Berba gives to you then fine. Owen is and always will be class, but surrounded by numbskulls he doesn't stand a chance, unless the opposition is p1ss poor.
It's sad for United fans I know it is, but I actually wasn't having a dig at United Help, I was pointing out what I see. Not just today but this season. I know the reasons why this season is difficult for United. I pointed out most of them myself, but the Manc weather has nothing to do with it at all. It's all about a lack of available money. That's the truth and if you can't see that then I just don't know.
The Glazers take everything to pay off the debt. They have just re-financed the loan too, which will result in them taking an even bigger wad from Fergie's hands. Where's the Ronaldo money gone? Fergie aint got it so who has?
It's a fact that the money that United have always had available just aint there any more, and you or I don't know if it will ever be available again do we? So like I said to Mikey, you have to go with the flow and see how it all pans out over the years.
Yeah, and we might have brought on Borini today, a lad from the Acadamy, becuase that's what Ancellotti does. He gives our kids a runout sometimes. Not because he has to but because he WANTS to.
We do not have the need to start a match with 8 or 9 players who are still learning the game as United are doing. The fact that some of those players even take the field must tell you something man.
Nady;2779415 said:Well this is the team that won the league for 3 consecutive seasons reaching the CL final twice a row. How do you explain that? We lose 1 single game and that's how people react.
And btw, most of the players you pointed out are those who are most likely to be seen in the league cup or when we are in injury crisis. At least we got these young potential talents. What do Chelsea have? Chelsea's young players are worse. Can you win the league cup with your young players? You can't even qualify with your first team...
Look at your own young players before judging the likes of Macheda, Gibson, De Laet, Welbeck, etc coz Chelsea's academy is nowhere even close to that.
Thanks to the Glazers? We won the league 3 times and Champions league 1 time during the time they have been here
Typical stupid Man U fanboy. You turn everything into a flame war.
"My dad's bigger than your dad". Grow up and debate FFS instead of simply being defensive by arguing.
I know and recognise the failings of my club and some of the players we have. Just because I support Chelsea will not make me defend the indefensible., and I never do.
You fanboys take it all to heart, when in reality your club like my club, do not give a flying fu<k about you an me, but you act like a brainwashed moron who just can't accept critisism of any kind without coming back with an argument that is not only missing the point but with no real answers to the questions asked either.
In short your post is a waste of time mate.
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Oh my goodness, Carlo brought Borinin because he wanted too and we can't! Well, **** yeah, it doesn't help when two of your backlines including the keeper are out injuried. Yes Ancelotti must have been extremely excited about giving a chance to an unknown 19 year old in a game that he needs to win. Money not available anymore? We offered like 30 million for Ribery and 40 for Benzema. Who did Chelsea, Inter, Milan, Barcelona, Arsenal, Liverpool buy this summer? That's right, Madrid ****ed it all up for all of us. The debt doesn't help, but if we wanted to buy somebody we would have. I agree Owen is not the scariest of subs out there, but had Rooney scored instead of hitting the crossbar and Berbatov not uncharecterstically missed that volley than we would have deservably won the game (which we completely dominated Villa in 2nd half), then it would have been hailed as an emphatic hard-earned win from a team that finally put the loss of their star player behind them and on their way to winning the 4th title in a row. I would just hate comparing us to Chelsea, but which team wouldn't be ****ed if 6-8 of their defenders were out injuried?
I'm not gonna get into the Evra argument with you because both of our stances are very well documented. Ferdinand has been terrible this season because of the back problem, which never went away. And Rafael is injuried. If our starting defense is so **** even when fit, than whose is better? That same defense had 10 clean sheets in a row last season while rotating between players.
There is only two points I'll agree with you:
1. Owen is not the scariest sub
Benzema was the only real striker available on the transfer and he couldn't turn down an opportunity to play in a sunny Madrid with the likes of Kaka and Ronaldo (who would?)
2. Our midfield is lacking power in the middle
Fletcher who is our defensive midfielder is not playing in his position right now and we all know where Hargreaves is.
Let's just finish this argument, because it will never end, you can keep on thinking that United are all downhill from now on, even though we should have been level on points at the top if not for the crossbar and unlucky touch from Berbatov. While, i'll keep on believing into my team, because in 10 years of exact same doubts, they always delivered in the end.
I'm not gonna get into the Evra argument with you because both of our stances are very well documented. Ferdinand has been terrible this season because of the back problem, which never went away. And Rafael is injuried. If our starting defense is so **** even when fit, than whose is better? That same defense had 10 clean sheets in a row last season while rotating between players.
There is only two points I'll agree with you:
1. Owen is not the scariest sub
Benzema was the only real striker available on the transfer and he couldn't turn down an opportunity to play in a sunny Madrid with the likes of Kaka and Ronaldo (who would?)
2. Our midfield is lacking power in the middle
Fletcher who is our defensive midfielder is not playing in his position right now and we all know where Hargreaves is.
Let's just finish this argument, because it will never end, you can keep on thinking that United are all downhill from now on, even though we should have been level on points at the top if not for the crossbar and unlucky touch from Berbatov. While, i'll keep on believing into my team, because in 10 years of exact same doubts, they always delivered in the end.
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