Chelsea F.C [2007-2008] Thread

[Capela]

i'm thankfull for what he did at portugal and i wish him all the luck in the world but i have to agree with filipower.
i don't think he'll be a good club manager. he's a fantastic motivator but tactically he's poor, and that, at chelsea's level (premierleauge and champions league) is very important.

and also why the hell would you announce this now ? couldn't have waited for the euro to end ?

 

[Zakov]

Ask the club's management(or Kenyon) for pete's sake....u make it sound like it was us fans that made this announcement.....

 

[Filipower]

no he doesn't, he sounds exactly like he's blaming the board, not the fans, because it's the board who announce it, not the supporters..

 

[Zakov]

well i don't see any members of the chelsea board here, so better take the complaints elsewhere, hehehhe

 

[Filipower]

dude, we're just saying it wasn't exactly polite by Chelsea, take a chill pill...

 

[Tiago_10]

Two misconceptions here:

- Unlike most people say, Scolari is a really good tactician, but most of his work is done during training, he isn't very good at improvising during the game.

- He will make Chelsea more attacking-minded. Not necessarily, he builds the teams around the players he has at his disposal, most of his teams in Brazil played with focus in the defense.

He is defensive minded and doesn't like to take risks, you're right and I agree.

But I disagree when you say he's a good tactician. A good tactician, like Mourinho, has the ability to read the game tacticaly, players movements considering the defensive-offensive/offensive-defensive movements and make the convenient adjustments before the match and during the match.

Which is something he doesn't do. I can illustrate this with 2 very simple exemples:

Portugal lost not once, twice but three consecutive times with Greece when everybody knew (at least on the 2nd and last match) the way they play, the tactics they employ. Considering the teams diference in value and quality this is ridiculous, he was unable to the the necessary changes to allow us to win.

In the Portugal - Czech match on this current Euro Portugal had a real hard time to break through against a well tacticaly organized team, only managed to do that on the 2nd half. What made the difference at half-time? Did Scolari did any changes? Not at all, but he knew exactly what to say to players to motivate them, like Ronaldo admited at the end of the match.


This does not mean he didn't improve, and that he won't be good at Chelsea. On the contrary I think he can do a good job. And I myself am thankful for his work in the portuguese NT.

 

[MikeyM]

He's clearly not the type of guy to take orders from Abramovic.

Good luck to him in Chelsea

That's why Chelsea will continue rotating managers, Abramovich is said to be very involved, even giving advice to players - anyone who stands up will be shown the door. IMHO

If you think about it, Chelsea were a bit silly to sack the only manager who led them to the UCL Final (and perhaps could have won on another day - in fact many will argue "should have", but then United "should have" put the three chances away in the first half!)
Chelsea (and most other clubs) simply do not give managers time to gel their squads and build their teams. Abramovich can play football monopoly every summer and get the "who's who" of football - but as Madrid (and England are) found out, 11 superstars does not necessarily make a cohesive team.

 

[pede54]

Look, if Scolari is a disaster which I very much doubt, then we will have to keep looking for the right man. It's that simple.

Before Fergie arrived at Man U Mikey, they also experienced a lot of manager rotation too until they found the right man. That is the way it happens. The fact that Fergie has been in place so long causes a lot of Man U fans to forget that.

Hopefully Scolari will be the man, and if he isn't so what. The great thing about football is that there is always next season, and then the season after that. Of course I want the club to settle down, but as much as I want to see that happen as soon as possible, I am prepared to wait. Eventually we will sort it out and that's fine with me.

As for Chelsea being "unpolite" in announcing Scolari's appointment. Scolari through his agent, actually released the news before Chelsea did. Anyway whats the big deal about it? Surely honesty is a lot better than having to endure all the speculation for another 2 weeks or so. I think the speculation would have unsettled the Portuguese team a lot more than actually knowing the true situation. This could actually invoke a very positive reaction from the Portuguese players.

You will excuse me of course if I don't care too much how this affects Portugal in the Euro's though. I'm not Portuguese so why should it bother me?

I am interested in only Chelsea, and having a manager in place for next season is far more important to me than worrying about the team he leaves behind. I am sure if the situation was reversed, the Portuguese would not give a sh!t either, so please spare us the speeches about morality huh?

 

[Zakov]

dude, we're just saying it wasn't exactly polite by Chelsea, take a chill pill...

look at the smiley man, i am chilling, i just find it hilarious that u guys are barking up the wrong tree.....

 

[treble41]

Just how much can you motivate a 'club' over an entire season? Constantly after every half? Nope, can't judge the guy but I think the motivation thing is a bit overrated when it comes to club. Over 38 games, the best team wins, there isn't any Greece like miracle, he's got the class at his disposal, just has to get it out of the underperformers.

Btw, Boswinga's performance has been great, he's definetely our new right back, glad we didn't waste it on Danny Alves with that ridiculous asking price last season. What will happen to Ferreira and Beletti, I don't know but hopefully Essien won't have to ever play as a right back again.

 

[pede54]

Yeah, lets hope that's the right back problem sorted once and for all. Jose couldn't solve it because as much as I like Paulo he just isn't whats required, unless Big Phil can improve him. Same with Belletti really. I think one of those two will have to go to make way for Boswinga, and I've a feeling that Scolari will keep Paulo rather than Belletti somehow. We still have to see whether Boswinga can cut it in the EPL too.

We have enough central defenders and we have enough midfield players. Malouda will get one more season to prove himself I would think, and if he does not improve he will have to go. He certainly is not the replacement for Robben that Jose thought he was.

Deco who is rumoured to be interested in moving here is a great player still, but I just don't think we need to shell out a fortune for a 31 year old who wants to join Chelsea only because Barca don't want him. The same goes for Ronaldinho. We need to stop buying these older players if we are to build with the future in mind.

Ribery is only slightly above average in my opinion so I hope we don't go there either.

As for our strikeforce. Anelka is a dissapointment to be honest, and his attitude still stinks. I would off load him asap, if anyone wants to buy him that is.

Drogba? Now there's a puzzle to be sure. If his heart is in it and he stops with all the bullsh!t talk all the time, then perhaps he should stay, but if he carries on whinging then perhaps not. His attitude also pee's me off too.

Kalou's second season will hopefully see him achieve a better and more consistant level. We shall have to see.

It all depends on how Big Phil is going to manage the team regarding formations etc. He will be the man who decides who stays and who goes. All we can do is watch and wait as usual.

Very happy to have Scolari though. If he stays for the next 5 years I think he will be the man to do the job we need done.

I am so looking forward to the season starting.

 

[Arnau]

its deco ho dont want to stay in barça no barça ho want to transfer deco.

 

[pede54]

OK thanks for that Arnau, I wasn't sure about that detail.

I do think he still has a lot to offer Chelsea, but we already have very good midfield players, and we have a lot of them too.

 

[Arnau]

i think so too, but with lampard and ballack (creatives ones i mean) isnt enought... deco dont care what big team will be his destiny how a good mercenary he is (like every notformer club player now) but have a great team spirit and scolari knows him.

 

[treble41]

They say that Scolari likes holding/defensive minded midfielders more. He likes to play it in this format:

winger----------------winger
--------cent---centr--------

Uses 5 midfielders with Portugal cos of their striker problems but that's a different story. Anyways, this might be trouble for guys like Lampard who don't really play that sorta role, Ballack would but not Lampard. I don't think it's enough of a reason not to resign him though. Btw, just how much DID Chelsea pay to hire him?

 

[Filipower]

First of all, saying Deco is a mercenary is a bit much coming from a guy who supports the team that were stupid enough to not play him more often and now are crying because they don't want him to leave.

Secondly, Scolari doesn't use that tactic in Portugal..we puts Petit as a DM, Moutinho as a box-to-box MC and Deco as an AMC. Then we have three more forward players, Ronaldo, Nuno Gomes and Simão...so no, Portugal's tactic isn't all that defensive.

Concerning Deco, I don't think it'll be that good of an idea by Chelsea, because there is no way you can stick Deco, Lampard, Ballack and Essien in the same midfield...

 

[pede54]

I agree with that Fili. I also think that Deco when he's on his game is a fantastic asset to have. What worries me the most is who Big Phil might drop to let him play. Unless Deco is happy to be rotated that is.

I'd still want to see Lamps, Ballack and Essien in there to be honest. Hmmm, its a hard one I must admit.

 

[Filipower]

That's what I'm saying though...the whole reason behind Deco leaving Barça is him not playing. So if he goes to Chelsea to be benched, that would mean a crisis all over again for Deco, which would mean money not well spent by Chelsea. You see what I mean? I'm not saying that he's a bad player, he's one of my all time favorites, but you either drop Lampard or Ballack or Deco to the bench, and none of the three like that..

 

[Zakov]

hmm, I don't think Deco will be coming to Chelsea tbh....I think Deco himself would only come if Frank leaves Chelsea(which I can't see happening at all, despite all the tabloid s.hit).....I think Lamps and Ballack started to look great together towards the end of the season, our only problem is that our style of play can be a bit too predictable at times(the direct Drogba approach), I think we need more variety in our attacking approach, and to do that we need a much younger and mobile striker.
what do u guys reckon? i just can't wait for the season to start.

 

[Filipower]

well, it's official apparently, you've bought Deco. ****ers