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He'll be fine, he's doing a lot of good things and has a lot of assists. Last year was an aberration; Muller gets 12-13 league goals every year. I expect him to be back to that.
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Juventino;3962287 said:
Think it's just Ancelotti's system. He doesn't prioritize vertical passing through the center of the pitch, which doesn't allow as much space on the wings.
Sir Didier Drogba
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You know arnau would say that coman looked better than sterling when he was managed by guardiola and now sterling looks better than coman because he is the one managed by guardiola....
Of course one has to question the long term quality of a managers input if the gains a player makes under him disappear as soon as he leaves
Of course one has to question the long term quality of a managers input if the gains a player makes under him disappear as soon as he leaves
ShiftyPowers
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You'd understand if you saw what he did on a weekly basis at your own team. Of course there are always negatives and haters, but objectively he is just an incredible trainer.
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That players get stagnant when they aren't being challenged by him on a day-to-day basis and are not longer playing in a system that suits their skill sets? That's a valid argument AGAINST Pep? It's complete horse shit is what it is. The regression argument is an argument in favor of him.
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Using a system that brings out the best in his players is not something to hold in favor of the manager, but a coincidence?
ShiftyPowers
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1) You will find posts for me years before Fergie's retirement talking about his inability to bring in quality players
2) That's not to diminish Ferguson's quality as a manager to bring out the best in those players.
Az, professionals, especially at the highest level are seperated not by talent in most cases (obviously Messi, Neymar, and people like those are), but rather by desire and work rate. Very few can even make it at all as a pro without outworking everyone else, and it's a rare player indeed who can be a top player for a club like Bayern/Barca/Real without working their ass off every day. Pep demands intense focus from his players every single day and I don't know if every manager does. IMO that is what separates him from others, not necessarily his tactical nous. Players will retain more information then, when they are more focused, and whether they retain it or not, they will perform worse when that focus is lost or diminished.
2) That's not to diminish Ferguson's quality as a manager to bring out the best in those players.
Az, professionals, especially at the highest level are seperated not by talent in most cases (obviously Messi, Neymar, and people like those are), but rather by desire and work rate. Very few can even make it at all as a pro without outworking everyone else, and it's a rare player indeed who can be a top player for a club like Bayern/Barca/Real without working their ass off every day. Pep demands intense focus from his players every single day and I don't know if every manager does. IMO that is what separates him from others, not necessarily his tactical nous. Players will retain more information then, when they are more focused, and whether they retain it or not, they will perform worse when that focus is lost or diminished.
ShiftyPowers
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Yes, because the difference between improvement and stagnation in players of this quality is the focus and drive that he instills. Also, if he's improving players' mentality for a certain system, then how are their improvements going to translate to a more counter attacking philosophy, for example.
But for the record, he has drastically improved almost every player at Bayern from the very obvious (Lahm, Alaba), to the less obvious (Rafinha could probably be a serviceable midfielder in the Bundesliga, such has his technique improved). The only player who you could argue has gotten worse is Coman, while everyone else is much better. Coman hasn't really been given much of a chance either this year, so has he lost it? Doubtful. You can also say that for attacking wingers/forwards, Pep doesn't have much of an impact because his whole philosophy is "I will train you for the first 2/3rds of the field, but in the final third it is all down to you."
But for the record, he has drastically improved almost every player at Bayern from the very obvious (Lahm, Alaba), to the less obvious (Rafinha could probably be a serviceable midfielder in the Bundesliga, such has his technique improved). The only player who you could argue has gotten worse is Coman, while everyone else is much better. Coman hasn't really been given much of a chance either this year, so has he lost it? Doubtful. You can also say that for attacking wingers/forwards, Pep doesn't have much of an impact because his whole philosophy is "I will train you for the first 2/3rds of the field, but in the final third it is all down to you."
ShiftyPowers;3962637 said:
Are you kidding me? he never spent 100m on players but he wasn't Wenger ... United broke records after records and Fergie/Gill many good players at right price came to United ...
He was winning trophies with likes of Evans, Nani, Rafael, and Anderson ... they all vanished after Fergie left