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Num Lock;2914596 said:so there's no chance of Cesc playing any of the offensive midfielder positions since Xavi and Iniesta are relatively young, well Xavi isn't that old yet.
If I was him I wouldn't switch clubs just yet. Unless he wants to play defensive midfield, which I doubt.
Gunnersgoal22;2916637 said:I'm wondering who is gonna partner Cesc in the midfield? For me, Denilson and Diaby just aren't quite there yet, or at least weren't last year, to make it in the starting eleven of a team who wants to win the title. So that leaves Nasri, but would he and Cesc be a good combo? There's also Wilshire, who no doubt has super legitimate talent, so I hope we try him with Cesc, but we'll have to see if he's ready.
Arnau;2917891 said:He wants to play for his Barça. Thats another CR7 case, next season will join us.
gave him "everything"? dude, he was 16 when he left Barça ... and he was 16 when he debuted for the Arsenal first team ... doesn't take a genius to see that his Barça education had already prepared him for first-team football ... but it does take someone with their blinkers firmly on to say that he got "everything" from Arsenal ... he learnt a lot at Arsenal, but this business of 'Arsenal gave him everything' is total bullsh!t ...Filipower;2917880 said:Yeah, he gets to play yet another season in the club that gave him everything he has today. Shame.
Cesc Fàbregas said:No puedo negar que fichar por un club como el Barcelona era un cambio atractivo para mí. Es el club en el que aprendí a jugar al fútbol, es mi hogar, donde están mis amigos y mi familia, y el club en el que siempre he soñado jugar
he didn't leave because he wouldn't get first-team opportunities; he left because he thought he wouldn't get first-team opportunities ... same as Gerard Piqué ... and wouldn't you know it, they're best friends ... I don't know what they saw or felt to come to that conclusion, but the the first team does now include the top talent in, before, and after, their cantera age group ...Filipower;2917965 said:Yeah, I wonder why he left Barça ... It couldn't have been because at Arsenal he would get more opportunities, more playing time, a chance to grow as a player.
yeah that's true ... look at Messi: he had to wait for his first-team debut till he was 16! but at Arsenal, Cesc had already made his debut when he was only 16 ...Filipower;2917965 said:it must have been because they would have put him on the pitch at age 16 like Arsenal did.
within the space of a couple of posts, you've gone from "Arsenal gave him everything" to "Arsenal have him almost everything" ... you're not stupid? or at least blinded by your prejudices? you certainly fooled me ...Filipower;2917965 said:And yes, as the player he is today, he owes it all (or almost everything, of course there is credit due to Barça I'm not stupid) to Arsenal.
if you're going to generalize your views based on a few stupid fans, who annoyingly think this way, then you're just as foolish as them ... I'll first direct you to my previous post on the Cesc issue, which I think has some rational thought:Filipower;2917965 said:This sense that Barça owns him is what I don't understand in this situation...
Xifio;2912616 said:as a 16-year-old, Cesc wanted to leave Barcelona, and join you guys for a quicker and more assured path to first-team football ... Barça couldn't do anything about it because Spanish law prevents them from offering him a contract before he turned 18, while in England they could offer him a contract under certain conditions ... there was nothing Barça could do!
the compensation fee given to Barça after FIFA's intervention (not of Arsenal's own initiative) would have covered for the living expenses (room, board) that Cesc got, and nothing close to the potential value of the player over and above that ... apparently that wasn't "disrespect" from you guys towards Barça because the player himself wanted to go ...
well, now Cesc wants to go home and has publicly declared as much ... and so Barça coming in for him with a fair bid is disrespect? while the Arse asking for 50-60 million isn't further disrespect to Barça?
I'm not going to exclude Cesc from criticism on this matter either ... by 2006, it was clear that everyone knew Fàbregas' quality, and that he was on the radar of all the major clubs, including his European champion hometown club ... so why at that point would you sign a new contract till 2014 without thoroughly considering the probability of wanting to leave for home earlier? moron ...
Xifio;2917970 said:he didn't leave because he wouldn't get first-team opportunities; he left because he thought he wouldn't get first-team opportunities ... same as Gerard Piqué ... and wouldn't you know it, they're best friends ... I don't know what they saw or felt to come to that conclusion, but the the first team does now include the top talent in, before, and after, their cantera age group ...
Xifio;2917970 said:yeah that's true ... look at Messi: he had to wait for his first-team debut till he was 16! but at Arsenal, Cesc had already made his debut when he was only 16 ...
Xifio;2917970 said:within the space of a couple of posts, you've gone from "Arsenal gave him everything" to "Arsenal have him almost everything" ... you're not stupid? or at least blinded by your prejudices? you certainly fooled me ...
Xifio;2917970 said:if you're going to generalize your views based on a few stupid fans, who annoyingly think this way, then you're just as foolish as them ... I'll first direct you to my previous post on the Cesc issue, which I think has some rational thought:
Xifio;2917970 said:so, as you can see, I'm not saying that Barça has some right to Cesc ... I'm calling out the blind Arse fans and the anti-Barça morons, and showing them why their idiocy holds no rationality by offering them a rational argument made by a rational Barça fan ... Cesc went to Arsenal because he wanted to, and Barça could do nothing about it ... now Cesc wants to leave Arsenal to return to Barça, and Arsenal are standing in the way of the player's wishes ... hypocrisy much?