A critical observation

drigOrange

Reserve Team
Job Abdullah UAE is magnificent, others KITMAKERS should take as an example, using the original bases, so would enhance the whole game.

But it's not what happens.
Only spend recreating kits "content that exists and there is no need to replace."

The community should be more united and organized thus could expand edits by other generic alloys that are horrible. Damn fault of EA.

Who will complete?
Goalkeepers leagues:
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Norway
- Ireland
- Belgium, etc.

For example: Rosenborg


Only need to use the original template and add the sponsors.

Templates Adidas

But it seems that there is no one here from those countries who care about leaving their perfect league.

That's what I can not understand. :md:

michellima82, caio89, Oscato are other good examples.
 

Master Pi a Gi

Starting XI
For start i make my own kits and i don't use EA kits to "make" kits.

About the missing kits, EA makes a lot of mistakes on kits that are in game and the kitmakers can make the kit they want to make.
 

drigOrange

Reserve Team
Master Pi Gi, that in my opinion, is a waste of time.

The Kitpack Benfica, is pretty much the same EA. Link

You may not have understood what I have referred.
- Take advantage of the bases/original templates to expand in other non-existent, that way the whole game to become standard.

Especially goalkeepers and alternative kits (shorts and socks).
It's something simple to understand, let the much faster and dynamic issues.

For example:
Kitmaker A does -> Barcelona
It Kitmaker B -> Barcelona
It Kitmaker C -> Barcelona

Fuck. But since there original kit made by EA for Barcelona. What is the logic of staying so long recreating the same team?

That's what I'm talking about and should be the priority.
 

H0US3

Senior Squad
I think the choice about what kitmakers will do depends only kitmakers themselves, so... So, this ain't critical observation at all =x
 

Grinsmonster

Youth Team
The Kitmaker do thyre very best .. and by the way i dont think that its matters that the kit is not so how in original .... when you play Fifa Then you will play and not Look at the shirts....
 

Tonce

Senior Squad
][guNNer][;3885505 said:
that in my opinion, is a waste of time.

Lol ok I'll just quit making kits then since I want to improve the textures ingame instead of modifying the shitty EA kits

Kitmaker threads are popular for a reason, and that's people wanting to change the crap EA makes or add new kits from next season. Or add missing goalkeeper kits like you said, but let's be honest here. How many people plays the Norwegian league in the game? I barely make any Norwegian kits because there's no demand for them
 

TonyKroos

Youth Team
Tonce;3885531 said:
Lol ok I'll just quit making kits then since I want to improve the textures ingame instead of modifying the shitty EA kits

Kitmaker threads are popular for a reason, and that's people wanting to change the crap EA makes or add new kits from next season. Or add missing goalkeeper kits like you said, but let's be honest here. How many people plays the Norwegian league in the game?

a) Please don't go! :P

b) Norwegian people?
 

Tonce

Senior Squad
TonyKroos;3885533 said:
a) Please don't go! :P

b) Norwegian people?

I'm not going, it was just a joke :D

Haven't seen any Norwegian people apart from me :\ they must be hiding well... :D
 

drigOrange

Reserve Team
Tonce is why EA does not care.
You yourselves do not care about improving other alloys that are generic.

I think all leagues are important yes.
You are Norwegian, it could devote to your country that is incomplete, but does not.

The only Scandinavian I see here focus on their country is The Danish and hjbs.
They deserve congratulations for quality.

As for Tipperligaen (people care yes)
The big SIA Bouncer MW made the adboards. Link
Makispla numbers. Link

So my criticism is constructive, aiming to educate KITMAKERS to value other alloys. Who wins the FIFA is becoming more realistic. OK

__________________

Fans worldwide are complaining on the official EA forum.
Demanding attention to their licensed leagues should have in future versions.
Only in this way, things will evolve.

Sorry for my bad english, but I am trying my best.

And if anyone thinks contributes nothing to soccergaming. It's wrong. Because in FIFA 15, I completed the Allsvenskan. I did many other things within my limit.

That's what had to be considered.
 

::Hagi::

Starting XI
][guNNer][;3885537 said:
So my criticism is constructive, aiming to educate KITMAKERS to value other alloys. Who wins the FIFA is becoming more realistic. OK

What's your point then? You don't have the right to "educate" anybody, only your own kids, if you even have some.
You are in this community long enough to know, that kitmakers make kits, because it is their passion and because some kitmakers are highly skilled, like Tonce, Emi, Makispla, Hjbs, The Danish etc.
Some kitmakers do exactly what you are complaining about. Abdullah, michellima82, Caio etc.

And making alternative kits the way you just showed, is not detailed at all and it looks a way too pixelated ingame. If you like to have a kit like this ingame, then fine.

But not every user likes such a quick job. Some of us kitmakers make kits, because we want to have a detailed and realistic kit ingame. And now guess which HD kits will be more popular. Definitely not the kits of third or second devision teams.

Your "constructive criticism" is not as constructive as you think. You are not the only user in this forum and kitmakers do the kits they like and which are popular.

Furthermore, the kits done by the kitmakers here are includes in the major patches, like Moddingway's and FIFA Infitiy's patches. Patches which are downloaded by a large number of people, including you.
Those patches wouldn't exist, if we don't make any kits. And let's face it, most EA kits are poorly done and they need an improvement
 

*aLe

Youth Team
][guNNer][;3885554 said:
For example, I made a Goalkeeper kit for Vålerenga (it's the same template Hamburg SV)
Thus, Vålerenga is equal to Hamburg, O. Marseille and all the others.
I think unnecessary to have to create other templates. Unless it were possible to replace all EA. :facepalm:
It could work.
Yet I'm not saying that it would be perfect, but that it could only work as a "filler" until a better solution becomes available. Hagi in my opinion has a valid point: using kits from EA, modifying them and then repacking them in a different rx3 leads to a little (yet visible, if you look close enough) quality loss.

About duplicate sets, I can see it's something that I'd do differently (it's kinda annoying when you get to choose between 4 versions of Real Madrid and no set for, say, Trapani which in the game are unlicensed) but kitmakers should really be able to release what they want.
There's no point in "forcing" them to do teams which are unlicensed or at least unmade. It's not a job, it's a hobby after all.

There's another a point I'd add, I'm not sure if people will agree or not but it's the way I feel: I don't really like "adding" kits to already done sets, if possible.
Don't get me wrong, I loved when Moswell did the missing GKs, but as a kitmaker I'd rather redo the whole team (thus improving also the player kits EA did) than adding a GK kit and leaving the player ones as they are.
My 2 cents, anyway.
 

Al Pacino PT

Starting XI
Honestly what's the point on what are you saying? You prefer quantity instead of quality. The work from kitmakers to not-kitmakers as a big difference in quality. It's the small details that differ us from not-kitmakers, we care about the quality in the work, but most of not-kitmakers do not care about the quality they are providing.

You are saying that the quality from my brother's work is not much better than EA kit? Did you even compared them in-game to say that?
Now I understand why in the last 2 years, this section got so low in quality, because people want not-kitmakers instead of kitmakers, which makes me wonder why this community exists, since everything in the game is better than what we do.
I would agree if your post was about faces, where the quality of scanned faces are excellent and still I see most of the facemakers re-doing them and honestly I don't see the big improvement.
 

ashh_nocturne

Youth Team
I think what he means is that there must be some standard to which kitmakers can adhere to so that the kits are uniform throughout the game. For example, one could create a HQ adidas GK template which can then be used by the others to create versions for respective teams. Also, not every kitmaker in the forum has to make a Barcelona kit, do they? Choice is always good, but with the number of teams in the league, is it worth the effort? I think the gist of what he's saying is lost in the translation (if it is).

N.B.: This is what I believe to be the OP's argument, not my personal view on the matter.
 

Lusitania_15

Youth Team
I think Gunner as a point, but i don’t agree with him when say that we can use EA templates.
This is a forum so it’s use to talk and sharing ideas and kits. If some you, Good Kitmakers, would work together to improve a better quality kits will be perfect. There’s so many (good)kits of the great teams but if each one make the same teams kits it’s quite annoying.
So there’s an idea. Some of you could share some labels templates (adidas, nike, puma, macron or others) for those who want to have their little town team in game, but don’t have your skills. Of course those who want to use those templates must keep the credits of the creator.
With that this community would reach a large number of teams from every world.

Think about it!
 

Master Pi a Gi

Starting XI
][guNNer][;3885505 said:
Master Pi Gi, that in my opinion, is a waste of time.

The Kitpack Benfica, is pretty much the same EA. Link

You may not have understood what I have referred.
- Take advantage of the bases/original templates to expand in other non-existent, that way the whole game to become standard.

Especially goalkeepers and alternative kits (shorts and socks).
It's something simple to understand, let the much faster and dynamic issues.

For example:
Kitmaker A does -> Barcelona
It Kitmaker B -> Barcelona
It Kitmaker C -> Barcelona

Fuck. But since there original kit made by EA for Barcelona. What is the logic of staying so long recreating the same team?

That's what I'm talking about and should be the priority.
It's pretty much the same as EA, just let me laugh :rofl:
 

::Hagi::

Starting XI
1. Creating a "standard", after which kitmakers should work and decide which kits to make, is nonsense. It is not what kitmaking is about and the sense of thise forum and community. Each and every kitmaker should decide by his own, what he wants to release and what not.

2. There are many versions of Barca, Real, ManU kits around. But, They are not the same. Each kitmaker adds his own touch to a kit, paints in a different way. Emi has his own style, Tonce has, everybody who makes his own templates. If someone doesn't like it, don't download it.

3. There are several patches on several homepages, where you can find kits, which weren't posted here. Use Google or take a frequent look at the major modding sites.

4. Master Pi a Gi's point is right. Everybody can clearly see, that his great Benfica kits are NOT the same as EA's. If somebody thinks, that they are the same, I recommend to get an appointment at a vision doctor's office. Or at least, look at the images carefully.

5. It is not possible to make every user happy. Someone wants that kit, the other one another kit, etc etc etc. But hey, that's life! You can't always get what you want.
There is a kit request thread, make use of it. Like I said before, search the internet. There are enough sites which can be checked.

6. Show some respect to the kitmakers. They are doing it for fun. Not money! Creating a template takes time. The more accurate, the longer it takes. It is very common here, that kitmakers get flooded with requests, either in their threads or via PM. It is not necessary to do that. Just read what the kitmakers stated, if he accepts requests or not.
 

Tavadi

Starting XI
Tonce;3885534 said:
I'm not going, it was just a joke :D

Haven't seen any Norwegian people apart from me :\ they must be hiding well... :D

little liars )))

I play all the Scandinavian championships, plus the Republic of Ireland, it is a pity that there is no Finland and the Faroe Islands!
 

Tavadi

Starting XI
][guNNer][;3885537 said:
Tonce is why EA does not care.
You yourselves do not care about improving other alloys that are generic.

I think all leagues are important yes.
You are Norwegian, it could devote to your country that is incomplete, but does not.

The only Scandinavian I see here focus on their country is The Danish and hjbs.
They deserve congratulations for quality.

As for Tipperligaen (people care yes)
The big SIA Bouncer MW made the adboards. Link
Makispla numbers. Link

So my criticism is constructive, aiming to educate KITMAKERS to value other alloys. Who wins the FIFA is becoming more realistic. OK

__________________

Fans worldwide are complaining on the official EA forum.
Demanding attention to their licensed leagues should have in future versions.
Only in this way, things will evolve.

Sorry for my bad english, but I am trying my best.

And if anyone thinks contributes nothing to soccergaming. It's wrong. Because in FIFA 15, I completed the Allsvenskan. I did many other things within my limit.

That's what had to be considered.

You're doing the right thing, good luck! but to quarrel with the people do not, everyone has an opinion
 

Tonce

Senior Squad
Tavadi;3885674 said:
little liars )))

I play all the Scandinavian championships, plus the Republic of Ireland, it is a pity that there is no Finland and the Faroe Islands!

Wish we had the Icelandic league too :D plenty of good players there


Also, Hagi has some very damn good points. I can only agree with him :)
 


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