I have been quietly working on an MLS patch that I may (or at this point may not) release. I'm new to this site (I just signed up for the PES4 PC league) and decided i would search to see if anyone else was working on a MLS patch. well i find one guy named reefur that I have never heard of, and he says to contact him on MSN if anyone can help him. So what do I do? I contact him on MSN to see if we can work together to make a good MLS patch.
I'll include the entire chat log for you to read here but i'll also explain the gist of it because it's pretty long. He gives me attitude the whole time, first about my choice in games (i play pes4 pc because i have a pc not a ps2), i show him all my work and he says he's willing to share his, but then gets a "look how good my **** is" attitude by pointing me in the direction of a La Liga into video he made. whooptie friggin doo, you're good. so what?
so then he comes in with a "do you know who i am" attitude? I resist the urge to say "why should i care?" and just bite my lip. so then he says "maybe you should research people a bit before you contact them asking for stuff".
Fisrt of all i didn;t ask him for anything except to collaborate on his and possibly my patch. i didn;t demand anything, and i was nice the whole time.
Well I don;t expect to sway anyone else's opinion, but i know that I will never download a patch that contains anything by reefur again because of his lame-ass, holier than thou attitude.
I'll include the entire chat log for you to read here but i'll also explain the gist of it because it's pretty long. He gives me attitude the whole time, first about my choice in games (i play pes4 pc because i have a pc not a ps2), i show him all my work and he says he's willing to share his, but then gets a "look how good my **** is" attitude by pointing me in the direction of a La Liga into video he made. whooptie friggin doo, you're good. so what?
so then he comes in with a "do you know who i am" attitude? I resist the urge to say "why should i care?" and just bite my lip. so then he says "maybe you should research people a bit before you contact them asking for stuff".
Fisrt of all i didn;t ask him for anything except to collaborate on his and possibly my patch. i didn;t demand anything, and i was nice the whole time.
Well I don;t expect to sway anyone else's opinion, but i know that I will never download a patch that contains anything by reefur again because of his lame-ass, holier than thou attitude.
(10:55:51 AM) Jason: hey
(10:56:07 AM) Jason: i wish i had known you were making an MLS mod for we8jl
(10:56:13 AM) Jason: i just finished mine for pes4
(10:56:23 AM) reefur: i see....
(10:56:26 AM) reefur: well its a different game
(10:56:30 AM) reefur: so doesnt matter
(10:56:31 AM) Jason: all 12 teams replacing some pes4 teams that weren't in a different league
(10:56:39 AM) Jason: well yeah we could have worked together though, that's all
(10:56:48 AM) reefur: yah i made all kits...even call names
(10:57:03 AM) reefur: but i actually will rls it later on...
(10:57:06 AM) Jason: i made all the kits but i dunno how they look compared to yours.
(10:57:09 AM) reefur: as a mod for my existing patch
(10:57:19 AM) reefur:
(10:57:32 AM) reefur: well regardless im sure many will appreciate your work for pes4...
(10:57:34 AM) Jason: would you maybe set something up so we can both use the best of each other's work?
(10:57:48 AM) reefur: i even made a video intro for MLS...
(10:57:50 AM) reefur:
(10:57:57 AM) Jason: i made 2duniforms 9for edit screen or "play with different teams"
(10:58:03 AM) reefur: wel i asked many people for help on forums
(10:58:06 AM) reefur: but nobody replied
(10:58:18 AM) Jason: i just saw the thread. i'm new to evo-web. i usually hang out on pesinsight
(10:58:24 AM) reefur: i see...
(10:58:28 AM) Jason: you got photoshop right?
(10:58:33 AM) reefur: yah i stopped work onit cause of no suport
(10:58:38 AM) reefur: so ill just do it later wheni have time
(10:58:46 AM) Jason: damn. is there any way i can see the kits you have completed?
(10:58:48 AM) reefur: of course i have photoshop
(10:58:52 AM) Jason: i can also send you my kits.psd
(10:59:09 AM) Jason: and i'd love to see your intro video
(10:59:33 AM) reefur: hehe...yah when im at home ill give u a sample...
(10:59:40 AM) reefur: im at work right now...
(10:59:42 AM) reefur:
(10:59:43 AM) Jason: ah
(10:59:45 AM) reefur: where ya from?
(10:59:48 AM) Jason: Denver
(10:59:50 AM) Jason: you?
(10:59:51 AM) reefur: oh kewl
(10:59:54 AM) reefur: im in california
(11:00:03 AM) Jason: soouthern or northern?
(11:00:06 AM) reefur: north....
(11:00:08 AM) Jason: i used to live in LA and OC
(11:00:11 AM) reefur: oh i see
(11:00:12 AM) Jason: so you a quakes fan?
(11:00:15 AM) reefur: yah i go south alot
(11:00:18 AM) reefur: but im from north
(11:00:26 AM) reefur: nah i like galaxy more....
(11:00:31 AM) reefur: i hate san jose
(11:00:34 AM) reefur: the entire city
(11:00:37 AM) reefur: not just the team
(11:00:43 AM) reefur: most people from north bay hate south bay
(11:00:45 AM) Jason: did you make kits for Chivas and Real?
(11:00:51 AM) reefur: of course...
(11:00:57 AM) Jason: i had to guess what chivas would look like, but real's are accurate
(11:00:58 AM) reefur: i have kel and steba as kitmakers
(11:01:01 AM) reefur: on my patch team...
(11:01:07 AM) reefur: so no problem...
(11:01:18 AM) reefur: i made a few too
(11:01:20 AM) reefur: but i suck
(11:01:21 AM) reefur:
(11:01:29 AM) Jason: did you take into account the new Adidas deal next year?
(11:01:33 AM) reefur: sad you didnt msg me earlier
(11:01:38 AM) Jason: yeah
(11:01:52 AM) Jason: i made all the existing kits look more like adidas except for galaxy, metrostars and chicago
(11:02:00 AM) reefur: cause i gave up on that like 2 weeks ago
(11:02:09 AM) reefur: and formatted computer
(11:02:14 AM) reefur: although i have it all backed up
(11:02:15 AM) Jason: i got chicago's new puma kit in there, the galaxy total 90 kit, and metrostars is still the same because i haven't seen pics of the new one
(11:02:26 AM) Jason: i guessed on what chivas and fc dallas will look like
(11:02:28 AM) reefur: yah i have all templates...all those were easy
(11:02:37 AM) reefur: but the thing was
(11:02:40 AM) reefur: lack of interest
(11:02:42 AM) reefur: and support
(11:02:45 AM) Jason: damn
(11:02:46 AM) reefur: so i said **** it
(11:02:51 AM) reefur: i had liek 1 reply
(11:02:52 AM) reefur:
(11:02:56 AM) Jason: i've been working on mine (unannounced) for about 2 weeks
(11:02:58 AM) reefur: on like 10 forums
(11:03:10 AM) Jason: i just got all the players in yesterday, the rest was all graphics and crap
(11:03:18 AM) Jason: i only have adboards and supporter flags left
(11:03:19 AM) reefur: yah so im sticking to afc champions league theme for we8JL...
(11:03:48 AM) reefur: yah MLS is easy ....
(11:03:58 AM) reefur: but no support....
(11:04:03 AM) reefur: so i didnt want to waste slots
(11:04:10 AM) reefur: most wanted more afc champions league teams
(11:04:13 AM) Jason: aha
(11:04:14 AM) reefur: and uefa champions league teams
(11:04:19 AM) reefur: so i added those instead...
(11:04:31 AM) Jason: well, if you could send me your kits and especially the kit templates i would REALLY appreciate it
(11:04:34 AM) reefur: and updated other parts of my last patch...
(11:04:44 AM) Jason: i know some of my kits could be much better
(11:04:51 AM) reefur: well when i get home ill msg ya....i got u saved on msn
(11:04:54 AM) Jason: like my galaxy kit... pretty damn ugly
(11:04:58 AM) reefur: ahhh
(11:05:00 AM) reefur: my fav team
(11:05:00 AM) reefur:
(11:05:10 AM) Jason: well my last years version looked fine
(11:05:21 AM) reefur: oh u did one last year?
(11:05:22 AM) Jason: but when i made it look like total 90 i screwed it up
(11:05:28 AM) reefur: oh i see...
(11:05:38 AM) Jason: i never released my MLS patch last year, i just played it myself
(11:05:42 AM) reefur: well good to see others are interested in MLS patches
(11:05:43 AM) reefur:
(11:05:43 AM) Jason: i'm thinking of releasing this one
(11:05:47 AM) reefur: yah
(11:05:49 AM) reefur: i always did that too
(11:05:59 AM) Jason: hold on, i'll hook you up with a pic of my galaxy kit
(11:06:22 AM) reefur: yep...
(11:06:31 AM) Jason: URL REMOVED
(11:07:03 AM) Jason: on the galaxy kit the lines are not clean
(11:07:08 AM) Jason: jaggy and dirty
(11:07:40 AM) Jason: i didn;t have any templates for total90 or adidas so i just did the best i could without the templates
(11:07:53 AM) reefur: hehe i noticed....
(11:07:59 AM) reefur: yah not bad at all..
(11:08:05 AM) reefur: i think some good templates would help you tho
(11:08:11 AM) Jason: look at chicagos
(11:08:22 AM) Jason: did you do the new chicago kit or last year's?
(11:08:54 AM) Jason: and as you can see i didn't spend a lot of time on GK kits
(11:09:14 AM) reefur: for chicago i did last year since it was done awhile ago
(11:09:20 AM) reefur: but i can get em all updated....
(11:10:01 AM) reefur: where did u import database from
(11:10:27 AM) Jason: Football Manager 2005
(11:10:36 AM) reefur: ok...
(11:10:41 AM) Jason: the new editpes4optfile has FM2005 capability
(11:10:46 AM) reefur: yep...
(11:10:54 AM) reefur: unfortunately i dont play pes4 pc
(11:10:54 AM) Jason: and most of the drafted players were also in there
(11:10:58 AM) reefur: or pes4 in general
(11:11:00 AM) reefur: **** game
(11:11:00 AM) reefur:
(11:11:06 AM) Jason: come on, it's the same game
(11:11:11 AM) reefur: goalies watching shots go by
(11:11:14 AM) reefur: same?
(11:11:16 AM) reefur:
(11:11:18 AM) Jason: with a different option file
(11:11:20 AM) reefur: fake pace same?
(11:11:25 AM) reefur: lolz
(11:11:29 AM) reefur: laggy online good?
(11:11:33 AM) Jason: play on 6* and it's the same game
(11:11:34 AM) reefur: no thanks....
(11:11:40 AM) reefur: we8LE...
(11:11:46 AM) reefur: is what illmake next patch for...
(11:11:49 AM) reefur: pes4 is a joke
(11:11:54 AM) reefur: goalies watching shots go by
(11:11:56 AM) reefur: doing nothing
(11:11:57 AM) Jason: if it was out for pc i would agree
(11:11:59 AM) reefur: u cant fix that
(11:12:15 AM) reefur: no thanks...
(11:12:15 AM) Jason: it would be my next game too, but i don;t have (or want) a ps2
(11:12:22 AM) reefur: lolz
(11:12:29 AM) reefur: good 4 you...
(11:12:33 AM) Jason: however, playing on 6* seems to solve the dumb goalie problem for me
(11:12:36 AM) reefur: i see no point hating a system
(11:12:38 AM) reefur: just a game..
(11:12:40 AM) reefur: i play em all...
(11:12:44 AM) Jason: i don't hate a ps2
(11:12:49 AM) reefur: goalie problem isnt solved with 6
(11:12:50 AM) reefur: lolz
(11:12:53 AM) Jason: i am just not going to buy one so near it's end of life
(11:12:54 AM) reefur: quit imagining it
(11:12:56 AM) reefur: its fact...
(11:13:02 AM) reefur: everybody knows it...
(11:13:14 AM) reefur: but regardless....
(11:13:15 AM) Jason: ah well, it;s still the best soccer game for PC
(11:13:22 AM) reefur: lolz
(11:13:26 AM) reefur: but not best soccer game
(11:13:29 AM) reefur: so no thanks...
(11:13:40 AM) reefur: why play a inferior version of the game...
(11:13:51 AM) reefur: lolz...
(11:13:56 AM) reefur: not liek i dont have a pc too...
(11:14:01 AM) Jason: ANYWAY, the option file editor will write option files for tons of different versions of we/pes
(11:14:11 AM) reefur: dude i know that...
(11:14:13 AM) reefur: lolz
(11:14:15 AM) reefur: thanks though
(11:14:25 AM) reefur: how ya think i imported them?
(11:14:39 AM) reefur: would be a pain without
(11:15:12 AM) Jason: yeah i did my first onee without
(11:15:19 AM) Jason: because there wasn't one for pes3 at the time
(11:15:20 AM) reefur: oh i see
(11:15:27 AM) reefur: hehe
(11:15:28 AM) Jason: so i did it all with a controller. it took weeks
(11:15:34 AM) reefur:
(11:15:35 AM) reefur: nice
(11:15:45 AM) reefur: thats dedication
(11:15:45 AM) reefur:
(11:15:47 AM) Jason: my wife thought i was crazy
(11:15:50 AM) reefur:
(11:15:52 AM) reefur: i bet
(11:15:58 AM) reefur: my gf often goes crazy...
(11:16:01 AM) Jason: this time it was much easier.
(11:16:45 AM) reefur: pes3 had a editor tho....
(11:16:49 AM) Jason: so anyway, i'm looking forward to you sending the templates so maybe i can improve my kits. my adidas ones are very plain, no trim or anything
(11:16:58 AM) reefur: hehe...
(11:17:18 AM) reefur: im guessing u never saw my last patch for we8jl
(11:17:18 AM) Jason: all i have are the 3 stripes, no mesh panels or anyhting like that. very vanilla
(11:17:23 AM) reefur: lolz...
(11:17:29 AM) Jason: nope.
(11:17:39 AM) reefur: did u see my la liga intro for pes4 pc?
(11:17:41 AM) reefur: and xbox?
(11:18:01 AM) Jason: i didn't
(11:18:13 AM) reefur: no wonder hehe....
(11:18:20 AM) Jason: (btw i am going to port this to pes4 xbox as well, and if someone has a PS2, to that too)
(11:18:23 AM) reefur: i thought u knew of me on evo
(11:18:24 AM) reefur:
(11:18:26 AM) Jason: but the balls are different
(11:18:28 AM) reefur: 1 sec
(11:18:33 AM) reefur: ill show u what i do...
(11:18:50 AM) reefur: http://files.filefront.com/3784662
(11:18:51 AM) Jason: no, i'm new on evo. i just saw your post about MLS teams so i thought i'd contact you to see if we could work together on it
(11:18:52 AM) reefur: download that
(11:18:58 AM) reefur: and put it in for pes4 pc
(11:19:00 AM) reefur: and watch it
(11:19:01 AM) reefur:
(11:19:11 AM) reefur: i dont make anything less than perfection...
(11:19:31 AM) Jason: any chance i could get ahold of your MLS video?
(11:19:32 AM) reefur: and i only work with the best in the scene..........so if u want my kits..we have to make an agreement...
(11:19:38 AM) reefur: watch the la liga
(11:19:43 AM) reefur: then tell me if u want my work
(11:19:44 AM) reefur:
(11:19:53 AM) reefur: ill gladly share it with you
(11:20:28 AM) Jason: yeah i'll give you all the credit you want if i can use your stuff in my patch.
(11:20:36 AM) reefur: sure np...
(11:20:38 AM) Jason: right now my patch is a heavily modified version of Wolf's
(11:20:44 AM) reefur: im just glad someones doing it
(11:20:46 AM) Jason: i got rid of his HORRIBLY ugly menu gfx
(11:20:48 AM) reefur: although i dont play pes4...
(11:20:58 AM) Jason: and put back the defaults
(11:21:02 AM) reefur: i just stopped due to lack of support
(11:21:07 AM) reefur: quite sad for me really
(11:21:07 AM) Jason: and the annoying U2 music is gone too
(11:21:10 AM) reefur:
(11:21:21 AM) reefur: yah well problem with alot of patchmakers...
(11:21:26 AM) reefur: they just take other peoples ****
(11:21:29 AM) reefur: and slop it together
(11:21:42 AM) reefur: if people would make their own content....
(11:21:47 AM) reefur: would be much better patches
(11:21:50 AM) reefur: liek from the big groups
(11:22:05 AM) Jason: well i make most of my own content but since lots of the kits are out there and look good, why waste the time to create new ones?
(11:22:54 AM) reefur: yep
(11:23:01 AM) reefur: but kits arent what i speak of
(11:23:06 AM) reefur: of course nobody makes all kits
(11:23:09 AM) Jason: do you happen to know the score of yesterday's sevilla / barcelona match?
(11:23:11 AM) reefur: although i have for we8jl....
(11:23:15 AM) Jason: my satellite dish went out because of weather
(11:23:18 AM) reefur: http://www.evo-web.co...?t=18849&page=1&pp=30
(11:23:26 AM) reefur: i can send u the match later if u like
(11:23:35 AM) reefur: thats link to my patch
(11:23:39 AM) reefur: old patch from last month
(11:23:42 AM) Jason: oh yeah i should just download the torrent
(11:23:42 AM) reefur: im doing 2.0 right now
(11:23:45 AM) Jason: don;t tell me the score
(11:23:52 AM) reefur: torrent
(11:23:55 AM) reefur: those are unwatchable
(11:23:56 AM) reefur:
(11:24:00 AM) reefur: low resolution garbage
(11:24:06 AM) reefur: i meant HDTV i recorded
(11:24:09 AM) reefur: but ok
(11:24:11 AM) Jason: i'm not picky
(11:24:13 AM) reefur: that will be faster
(11:24:15 AM) reefur: smaller file...
(11:24:26 AM) reefur: i guess u have good vision
(11:24:27 AM) reefur: haha
(11:24:28 AM) Jason: and i don;t want to spend the time to download a 5GB file that i am going to watch for 90 minutes and delete
(11:24:36 AM) reefur: more like 1.2gig
(11:24:38 AM) reefur: but ok
(11:24:39 AM) reefur:
(11:25:22 AM) reefur: oh boy..i think you should research a person a bit more before u msg them for content next time...
(11:25:30 AM) reefur: i think u truly have no clue as to who i am
(11:25:32 AM) reefur: or what i do...
(11:25:37 AM) reefur: so um...
(11:25:44 AM) reefur: do that before ya ask me for stuff next time
