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360 GFX vs. PS3 GFX

overall I think I liked the 360's graphics better, everthing seems a little crisper and cleaner.. with the exeption of Fight Night 3 where the PS3's graphics were definitely better..
 

OrgulloVikingo

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overall I think I liked the 360's graphics better, everthing seems a little crisper and cleaner.. with the exeption of Fight Night 3 where the PS3's graphics were definitely better..

They say that the 360 GPU (Ati Xeon) is better than PS3 Nvidia. Supposedly the 360 gpu hasn't evn been matched by any PC yet and developers still haven't maximized it..even with Gears of War. It has an edge with shading, bloom lighting. Overall, I keep hearing from developers that the 360 is more suited for graphics and totally designed for gaming than the PS3. The Architecture is ideal and easier to develope for. They say PS3 is superior, in theory, if you compare numbers but when it comes down to it, it's very hard to take advantage of the extra power it has and it's more suited for other areas outside of gaming. The PS3 just came out but it has had a long time to develope for, especially the people at SONY CORP. ENT. AMERICA who make games. They would know the PS3 very well. For a machine that is supposed to be wayy better than any other out there, it's not a great showing. Of course, PS3 will only get better for sure, but I have afeeling that 360 will be right there matching the PS3.
 

OrgulloVikingo

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Copied and pasted off IGN:



CPU
The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.

Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.

Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.

Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.

Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.

Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point—probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.

Game programmers do not want to spread their code over eight processors, especially when seven of the processors are poorly suited for general purpose programming. Evenly distributing game code across eight processors is extremely difficult.
 

Gerrard 17

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Eventually though won't PS3 game developers get smart enough to figure it out?

Surely they would want to utilize the system to its full of capacity... And also isn't PS3 supposed to outlast 360?

Also as of right now aren't the PS3 games just ports of 360 games?


oh yea does anyone else think ultimate alliance looks cool as ****? i really want that game.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Aye, we wont get the most out of the PS3 until the second and thrid generation of games come out. As the article said the real battle will be this time next year.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
See i read that, and while i agree it is by no means "unbiased". It's a diabolically written, if very interesting article by gamespot.

Also, still-graphics mean Carlos **** compared with how a game actually "moves".

Kader is, essentially, spot on.
 

OrgulloVikingo

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Next Generation games supposed to be great playing and great looking! It's a combination of both. If that's not the case then why include a great GPU, etc? Might as well still make games for PS1 that play great but are pretty much undistinguishable due to the absurd amount of aliasing. Gameplay is very important but so are graphics...graphics help you get sucked into the world and immerse yourself. It creates the atmosphere, ambiace, mise en scene. Very very important. The combination of both is apparent in games like GOW, Call of Duty 2, Condemned, Fear, Prey on 360.
 

Lean

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Things start to get ugly for 360 once the badass game franchises start lauching their next-gen sequels for PS3.
 

OrgulloVikingo

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Well with Alan Wake, Mass Effect, Too Human, BioShock, Halo 3, HalFLife, etc. come out in early 2007 = Things look great for 360 :ewan: Trust me, 360 has a bright future.
 

OrgulloVikingo

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FPS are irritating on consoles.

I am so used to them. The 360 controller is actually perfect, especially for shooters. Very ergonomic and I love the triggers. And if you don't like the controller for FPS's, you can even hook up a mouse to the 360. Yes, you can. Just came out a few days ago.
 

Lean

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Didnt know about it. Damn man each time i see your posts around here i get more tempted to buy the 360 lol. But i dont have money and i wont be able to cope with myself without playing the next-gen Winning Elevens, Final Fantasys and Metal Gear Solids...
 

Shindig

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There's not really any major difference. We can't really tell until a developer pulls out something that can graphically set one system apart from another.

Cases in point:

PS2. Weaker system but MGS3 really, really looked outstanding. Possibly some of the best graphics on this generation. Mind you, the XBox does an outstanding job of replicating Half-Life 2. One of the games where I thought "We'll never see that on a console."

We did, though. A generation earlier than I expected.
 

Larry

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OrgulloVikingo said:
I am so used to them. The 360 controller is actually perfect, especially for shooters. Very ergonomic and I love the triggers. And if you don't like the controller for FPS's, you can even hook up a mouse to the 360. Yes, you can. Just came out a few days ago.

Exectly. The controller is awesome and Gears of War is so good to play.

Bro add me on XBL and we can play some fifa or GOW sometime! themanlarry
 

Áļéאָ

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Technically Ps3 cant have better graphics, since it uses the G71, which is the same chip the 7600-7900range gfx cards for pcs have. The Xbox on the other hand has something that can be described as an early version of ATi's next GPU, R600.
The new nvidia G80 is faster than the xbox GPU, and fully supports the latest shader techniques introduced with Dx10.
 

Gerrard 17

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OVNY, i finally picked up a 360, Im excited... First game Ill probably get is the new TestDrive.

2 questions...

How do I check if my drive is made my Toshiba or Hitachi? It was manufactured in Sept 06.

Theres a rattling sound when I pick it up, like something inside is loose or maybe floating around. Is this normal or should I exchange it? Just a bit paranoid since theres been so many system failures, problems, and other stuff.
 

OrgulloVikingo

Senior Squad
OVNY, i finally picked up a 360, Im excited... First game Ill probably get is the new TestDrive.

2 questions...

How do I check if my drive is made my Toshiba or Hitachi? It was manufactured in Sept 06.

Theres a rattling sound when I pick it up, like something inside is loose or maybe floating around. Is this normal or should I exchange it? Just a bit paranoid since theres been so many system failures, problems, and other stuff.

Hello and congrats! Haven't played TestDrive. Must haves IMO are Gears of War, COD3, Condemned and "Fifa 2007, just because of the online play". About the hard drive, I'm not sure. Mine was manufactured in June 2006. No rattling I've noticed. I would take it back and exchange...just in case. You get the Premium or Core? Enjoy it and look me up, send me a friend request when and if you get online. My gamertag is below. Cheers!
 

Gerrard 17

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Haha too broke to buy any games right now (H)

Will look for used ones on eBay, maybe rent something. I just picked one up because theyre $100 off (i got the Premium) and didn't want them to sell out before Christmas. I cant really start playing seriously anyway until I get a new TV next week.

Definitely gonna get GOW and COD3 at some point though. As for FIFA I'll probably wait for the new Winning Eleven to come out (January I think?). Is there a free trial for Xbox Live with the premium? Is Silver worth for anything?

The rattling seems more like a loose screw or something, but I'll probably exchange it just in case.
 


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