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The "Cristiano Ronaldo's future" saga thread.

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MikeyM

Big Daddy
Here is the state of play as I understand it.

The issue is that there seems to be a lot of different angles all pointing to the unescapable conclusion that Ronaldo wants to go, or at least will stay one more year and then go (which is not acceptable)

The facts are: Ronaldo has been recorded in live interviews (ITV and Radio5) within days of each other stating "I'm gonna stay" after the UCL final and then coming out with "I promise nothing to the supporters I promise nothing to my mother I decide in a few days what my future is"

These interviews are stone cold fact. The interview in the Brazillian website has not been recorded or transmitted so we don't actually see Ronaldo say this.

However, ignoring the "interviews and quotes" attributed to him we still have the fact that Cristiano has not come out and publically declared his intentions - which in itself is extremely worrying. We have heard absolutely nothing concrete, so we can assume from this that Cristiano is seriously considering Madrid. From this we can also theorise that Cristiano is not 100% committed to United, and that is why the supporters are getting annoyed with him. In addition to the fact that he is only one year into a five year contract which he was more than happy to sign last year, meaning that Ronaldo should not even be considering his future.

All we do have are these reports flying round that Ronaldo wants to go (which he has not denied) probably being orchestrated by Real Madrid sympathisers themselves (Marca). Apparently now there is a real rift developing between Ronaldo and Sir Alex - Allegedly Ronaldo has banned Sir Alex from speaking to him during EURO 08 (Although Scolari has said he would allow Fergie to talk to Cristiano if he wished)

Of course Sir Alex is away taking a well earned break, so we can only guess as to whether Sir Alex has indeed attempted to contact Cristiano as yet.

So we are left to wonder, and question the intentions of Cristiano Ronaldo - so if we don't know what his intentions are, how can we trust him?

That my friends is the burning question, we need to know where United stands - If Ronaldo is not committed then he has to go.
 
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pede54

Team Captain
MikeyM;2533007 said:
UPDATE:

From the Times (very reliable newspaper)

It looks like the relationship between Sir Alex and Cristiano has broken down:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4076331.ece

Ronaldo's attitude is really annoying me now - who in the hell does he think he is to disrespect Manchester United like this?
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Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

He has always been arrogant, selfish, vain and self opinionated, but you the fans, have revelled in those negatives and up to now have seen them as positives. When everyone else was calling him the prick that he is, you lot just refused to see it and worshipped him like a god, accusing everyone else of petty prejudices for reasons that did not ring true.

He is a pretty good player, not as great as he is made out to be for sure, but still pretty good, but you lot have put him on a higher pedistal than he deserves. He has sucked up all your praise, adulation, and fanatical ass licking, and he has fed his ego with it. Now he is so full of it, that he can now tell you all to fu<k off. He is telling you all that you and your club mean nothing.

Man U was never important for Ronaldo, everyone else but you lot always knew that. The only thing important to Ronaldo has always been Ronaldo, and nothing else.

He is a mercenary, like a lot of today's self appointed "superstars". Why should your club be so different from any other club, that you are shocked that someone could be doing this to you?

We have seen Man U do the dirty on many players over the years, usually due to ol' red nose feeling threatened by them. Man U have also over the years tapped up and tempted players away from their clubs to join United. Why is it OK to do it to others but sacriligious to have it done to you?

Even in this thread, Man U fans are talikng about stealing players from other clubs to replace Ronaldo, as if you have the god given right to whoever you want, regardless of the other clubs feelings about it, or indeed the other clubs fans feelings about it.

This episode is a perfect example of why Manchester United are regarded by other clubs, as an arrogant club with many arrogant fans.

For some reason Man U fans are surprised that a player would behave like this towards their club. You have to accept that Ronaldo used your club as a stepping stone to better things (at least in his mind). Sure it must come as a shock that your club is not the most desirable club to play for, because obviously you think it is. That's because most Man U fans seem not to live in the real world like the rest of us, but see themselves as something far removed from the rest of the footballing world.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.
 
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MikeyM

Big Daddy
pede54;2533267 said:
Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.
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It is not taken as such. Perhaps we do blind ourselves to our favourite players' faults (I guess most clubs do) I tell you this, I think a lot of us are indeed seeing a side of Cristiano that we wanted to believe never existed (given his behaviour in the WC2006 and afterwards) Perhaps I was wrong to defend him against that.

Cristiano Ronaldo was my favourite player in the world, I believed he'd be the best one day (and he is - on current form) I also believed he would treat his fans at United with loyalty and respect - which I am in danger of losing this belief given the way this has unfolded.

I can only speak for myself here, but I think the majority of Man Utd fans have built up a siege mentality over the years, perhaps this is due to Sir Alex, but there has always been an "Either you're with us or against us" type feeling among United's supporters. Especially given the attitude a lot of other football fans have towards us (again maybe it's due to Sir Alex or our success or something else - perhaps there is a percieved arrogance about my statement, but constantly defending my choice of club does tend to get the passion for the club going.

The fact remains, whether you love United or loathe them (and there are plenty here that do) Ronaldo has shown complete and total contempt for the club and it's fans and that is a sure way to lose the love of the fans.
 
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pede54

Team Captain
It's a natural thing to be defensive about your club. We at Chelsea are pretty much the same way, and it IS because at times it seems as if the club is being attacked from all sides, so its a natural way to feel in my opinion.

I sympathise with you guys. This kind of situation will always bring with it huge dissapointment for the fans. Add to that the opportunity it gives to the scum media to stir every one up, which they have done with a vengence, and it's understandable why the fans are so angry and feel somewhat betrayed.

I guess we all hope that when a player comes to us, it's because he really wants to play for our club. We hope that in time, that player will come to love the club as we do. Sad to say, that very rarely happens.

I suppose it's due to my age, but I lost any illusions that I used to have about this wonderful game, many years ago. Treachery and corruption goes on everywhere, and it's constant. I accepted that a long time ago, which is why nothing surprises me any more. It's crap and something that just we have to live with.

This situation is so similar to many situations that Chelsea have been through over the last few years. I'm talking about the fact that so far nobody has actually heard Ronaldo say any of those quotes that have been credited to him. So far, it is all paper talk, and as we all know the papers talk out of their arses.

OK it looks bad that Ronaldo has not made a definative statement about his intentions, but he has said that he wishes to be left alone during the Euro's, to concentrate on his teams challenge ahead. I think that should be sufficient for now. You want answers and the media want answers, and Ronaldo say's "not yet".

Thats why the media are twisting the whole situation . They are telling you that Ronaldo has said this, and Ronaldo has said that, when in reality we do not know that he has said anything at all. When you hear from Ronaldo himself what his intentions are, from his own lips, then is the fairest time to judge the situation and judge the player.

Anything other than that verges on a media inspired hysteria. It could very well ALL be a pile of crap mate.
 
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Help?

Fan Favourite
Robben's dad once said a very similar thing to what Ronaldo's mom just said, who does it even matter?

And i like how almost all Real fans talk as if getting Ronaldo would be bad for them and would destroy their whole team chemistry and they will be back to 3rd, 4th place finishes in La Liga. Give me a break, he can only make your team stronger. You chemistry isn't perfect, nobody's is. If he won't perform then he'll get a boot to the bench, simple. Chemistry isn't some puzzle that you solve, its a motivation, desire, skill etc etc. One season you could have everything go absolutely your way and the next it can all go horribly wrong with exact same players. So let's not act like he wouldn't make things better, shall we?
 
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KingPaulV

Starting XI
i dont believe anyone is claiming he would make us worse....the implication is however that Ronaldo is very much like the Galacticos that we came to dislike so much because of their lack of fight and compromise with the club. We are afraid that Ronaldo would act that way...Nobody however has denied he would make us better he would make any team in the world better that's why we are thinking of shelling 80 million. If you had followed our last 12 games from the previous season and by en large our general form this season we now have regained some values that were historic of Madrid and which we had lost due to the revolving door policy of hiring nothing but superstars who sometimes were more after money than anythinge else....

anyway...I would love Ronaldo in our Squad who wouldnt? but if he didnt come it wouldnt be a failure of any sort, we have other options and more pressing concerns, so if he were to stay in Man U then its all good just the same...that's what I am saying
 
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solaimaa

Reserve Team
once again proves how classless that little prick is. all things considered, i'd have messi over ronaldo EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. i'm sure Man u fans are saying the same thing now. this is great, his transfer will hurt both united and madrid. And pede, that was fantastic analysis about United fans constantly putting Ronaldo on a pedestal...agree 100%!
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
MikeyM;2531704 said:
Personally I think United should sell him if he decides he wants to go - the sooner the better so we can get replacements (Frank Ribery for example)
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Kiss my lederhosen covered ass. Ribery isn't going anywhere.
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
solaimaa;2533423 said:
once again proves how classless that little prick is. all things considered, i'd have messi over ronaldo EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. i'm sure Man u fans are saying the same thing now. this is great, his transfer will hurt both united and madrid. And pede, that was fantastic analysis about United fans constantly putting Ronaldo on a pedestal...agree 100%!
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Completely disagree. As much as a bitch as CR apparently is being about this, he is clearly the best winger in the world. Two years ago it would have been stupid to move to Madrid, but they have done a lot to improve, and I think adding Ronaldo would make them the best club in the world.
 
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MikeyM

Big Daddy
ShiftyPowers;2533439 said:
Kiss my lederhosen covered ass. Ribery isn't going anywhere.
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Probably not, but I'm sure United will make enquiries and if they flash enough of the Ronaldo cash, maybe Bayern will be tempted.
 
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KingPaulV

Starting XI
The transfer wont hurt Madrid in the least. at least financially it wont and more than likely it will only help us in the sports department. When Becks left we lost over 80 million Euro's in commercial revenue. If this guys makes it in with us we will not only regain that but the money in shirt sales alone will probably make up for his transfer fee...We just spent 110 mill last year and we are getting ready to doze out over 100 again, that tells me we are in pretty good financial standing...our squad is young (second youngest in Europe), it is hungry and with Ronaldo we should have just enough class to get over the CL hump and lift our 10th
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
MikeyM;2533466 said:
Probably not, but I'm sure United will make enquiries and if they flash enough of the Ronaldo cash, maybe Bayern will be tempted.
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It's one thing to sell Hargreaves, it's another thing entirely to sell Ribery, who is just now entering his prime, and along with Toni is the only reason we had a good team this year. Plus he's only been at Bayern for a year, next summer it's possible, but the most likely scenario for me would be Bayern selling him after WC 2010 when his price is it's highest.
 
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Help?

Fan Favourite
KingPaulV;2533384 said:
i dont believe anyone is claiming he would make us worse....the implication is however that Ronaldo is very much like the Galacticos that we came to dislike so much because of their lack of fight and compromise with the club. We are afraid that Ronaldo would act that way
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i think with Ronaldo, lack of fight is the last thing you guys should expect ;). There is no doubt that when he is on the pitch, he gives his all for 90 minutes.
 
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snoppf1

Senior Squad
pede54;2533267 said:
Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

He has always been arrogant, selfish, vain and self opinionated, but you the fans, have revelled in those negatives and up to now have seen them as positives. When everyone else was calling him the prick that he is, you lot just refused to see it and worshipped him like a god, accusing everyone else of petty prejudices for reasons that did not ring true.

He is a pretty good player, not as great as he is made out to be for sure, but still pretty good, but you lot have put him on a higher pedistal than he deserves. He has sucked up all your praise, adulation, and fanatical ass licking, and he has fed his ego with it. Now he is so full of it, that he can now tell you all to fu<k off. He is telling you all that you and your club mean nothing.

Man U was never important for Ronaldo, everyone else but you lot always knew that. The only thing important to Ronaldo has always been Ronaldo, and nothing else.

He is a mercenary, like a lot of today's self appointed "superstars". Why should your club be so different from any other club, that you are shocked that someone could be doing this to you?

We have seen Man U do the dirty on many players over the years, usually due to ol' red nose feeling threatened by them. Man U have also over the years tapped up and tempted players away from their clubs to join United. Why is it OK to do it to others but sacriligious to have it done to you?

Even in this thread, Man U fans are talikng about stealing players from other clubs to replace Ronaldo, as if you have the god given right to whoever you want, regardless of the other clubs feelings about it, or indeed the other clubs fans feelings about it.

This episode is a perfect example of why Manchester United are regarded by other clubs, as an arrogant club with many arrogant fans.

For some reason Man U fans are surprised that a player would behave like this towards their club. You have to accept that Ronaldo used your club as a stepping stone to better things (at least in his mind). Sure it must come as a shock that your club is not the most desirable club to play for, because obviously you think it is. That's because most Man U fans seem not to live in the real world like the rest of us, but see themselves as something far removed from the rest of the footballing world.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.
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:mike:

post of the year!!!

I was literally going to write something like this but you beat me to it.

mercinary :) thats exactly how you should describe a lot of the players today. going here and their looking after just themselves and looking to earn as much money as possible.

People were blinded by the hype from this man and have refused to see when people like me call him overrated, its not me hating.

Look at euro 2008 for example, people think portugal will win SIMPLY BECAUSE OF RONALDO :eek: people who think this clearly have not seen just how badly portugal have been playing lately. i personally think portugal will struggle to get out of the group imo.

any back on topic. Take cesc fabregas for example, his dream is to play for barcelona at some stage of his career. what i love is every single time rumors surface of madrid or barca making enquirys about him hes says he wants to stay. and kills the rumors dead (until in 6 months time when they come back)

what has this guy c. ronaldo done? After the first 3 average seasons and a disgracefull world cup. they stuck by him. even though he wanted to go and escape all the hate, they persuaded him to stay.

the last two seasons the way united have played has got the best and more out of ronaldo, the club and fans now idolise him but yet he decides when they need him to decide his future and yet he see where the moneys at (real madrid) and decides he wants to go there.

right now i think he wants to go to madrid but hes mulling over if united will offer him more cash or some sort of royalties.
 
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newbie original

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Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand have come out and said that he should stay. Well, if a whole bunch of players do this, it might convince him to make a u-turn and stay with you guys.
 
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snoppf1

Senior Squad
Help?;2533566 said:
i think with Ronaldo, lack of fight is the last thing you guys should expect ;). There is no doubt that when he is on the pitch, he gives his all for 90 minutes.
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how can anyone take this comment seriously :clapwap:
 
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adj137

Senior Squad
newbie original;2533744 said:
Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand have come out and said that he should stay. Well, if a whole bunch of players do this, it might convince him to make a u-turn and stay with you guys.
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In the long term i can't see that as being of any use in terms of taking Man utd. forward.
How can a team function on and off the pitch when it takes 10+ players to beg one player to stay - if Ronaldo's ego got any bigger it would need its own postcode. If he stays under those circumstances it will be like he's doing everyone at the club a massive favour.
 
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MikeyM

Big Daddy
Cristiano is being quoted in Marca as saying he hasn't made a decision and won't until after Euro 08.
 
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