Copa Sudamericana 2007

The 6th edition of the Copa Sudamericana starts tomorrow, first with the qualifiers.

Qualifiers Brazil - 4 teams qualify.

Key 1
Atletico Paranaense(BRA) vs. Vasco da Gama(BRA) - 15/8
Vasco da Gama(BRA) vs. Atletico Paranaense(BRA) - 12/9

Key 2
Figueirense FC(BRA) vs. São Paulo FC(BRA) - 15/8
São Paulo FC(BRA) vs. Figueirense FC(BRA) - 23/8

Key 3
Botafogo(BRA) vs. SC Corinthians(BRA) - 22/8
SC Corinthians(BRA) vs. Botafogo(BRA) - 12/9

Key 4
Goiás EC(BRA) vs. Cruzeiro EC(BRA) - 16/8
Cruzeiro EC(BRA) vs. Goiás EC(BRA) - 22/8

Qualifiers Argentina - 2 Teams qualify.

Key 1
Arsenal FC(ARG) vs. San Lorenzo(ARG) - 4/8
San Lorenzo(ARG) vs. Arsenal FC(ARG) - 6/9

Key 4*
Lanús(ARG) vs. Estudiantes LP(ARG) - 8/8
Estudiantes(ARG) LP vs. Lanús(ARG) - 5/9

*: River Plate is 2, and Boca Juniors is 3.

Qualifiers, Group A - Chile/Ecuador - 1 team qualifies.

Round 1 - Key 1
Audax Italiano(CHI) vs. Jorge Wilstermann(BOL) - 31/7
Jorge Wilstermann(BOL) vs. Audax Italiano(CHI) - 7/8

Round 1 - Key 2
Real Potosí(BOL) vs. Colo Colo(CHI) - 2/8
Colo Colo(CHI) vs. Real Potosí(BOL) - 9/8

Round 2
Key 2 winner vs. Key 1 winner - 28/8
Key 1 winner vs. Key 2 winner - 4/9

Qualifiers, Group B - Ecuador/Venezuela - 1 team qualifies.

Round 1 - Key 1
CD Olmedo(ECU) vs. Zamora FC(VEN) - 1/8
Zamora FC(VEN) vs. CD Olmedo(ECU) - 21/8

Round 1 - Key 2
Carabobo FC(VEN) vs. El Nacional(ECU) - 16/8
El Nacional(ECU) vs. Carabobo FC(VEN) - 28/8

Round 2
Key 2 winner vs. Key 1 winner - 4/9
Key 1 winner vs. Key 2 winner - 11/9

Qualifiers, Group C - Colombia/Peru - 1 team qualifies.

Round 1 - Key 1
CD Millonarios(COL) vs. Coronel Bolognesi FC(PER) - 2/8
Coronel Bolognesi FC(PER) vs. CD Millonarios(COL) - 23/8

Round 1 - Key 2
Universitario(PER) vs. Atlético Nacional(COL) - 9/8
Atlético Nacional(COL) vs. Universitario(PER) - 30/8

Round 2
Key 2 winner vs. Key 1 winner - 5/9
Key 1 winner vs. Key 2 winner - 13/9

Qualifiers, Group D - Paraguay/Uruguay - 1 team qualifies.

Round 1 - Key 1
Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. Libertad(PAR) - 7/8
Libertad(PAR) vs. Defensor Sporting(URU) - 21/8

Round 1 - Key 2
Tacuary(PAR) vs. Danubio FC(URU) - 1/8
Danubio FC(URU) vs. Tacuary(PAR) - 15/8

Round 2
Key 2 winner vs. Key 1 winner - 30/8
Key 1 winner vs. Key 2 winner - 13/9

There are 6 teams that won't go through the qualifying round.

-Boca Juniors(ARG) - Invited.
-CD Guadalajara(MEX) - Invited for being finalist in the CONACAF Champions Cup.
-Club América(MEX) - Invited for being 2nd best qualified of the mexican league in 06/07.
-D.C. United(USA) - Invited for being semi-finalist in the CONCACAF Champions Cup.
-Pacucha CF(MEX) - Invited because they are the title holder. Normally the champion of CONCACAF wouldn't.
-River Plate(ARG) - Invited.

To summarize the matches of this week.

Tuesday 31/7
Audax Italiano(CHI) vs. Jorge Wilstermann(BOL)

Wednesday 1/8
Tacuary(PAR) vs. Danubio FC(URU)
CD Olmedo(ECU) vs. Zamora FC(VEN)

Thursday 2/8
Real Potosí(BOL) vs. Colo Colo(CHI)
CD Millonarios(COL) vs. Coronel Bolognesi FC(PER)

Edit: Fixed about América's invitation, my mistake. According to CONMEBOL that's the criteria used. http://www.conmebol.com/comunicados_ver.jsp?id=60608&slangab=S

Why in the world was DC United invited over Houston Dynamo who reached the final of the Champions Cup and won the MLS Cup?

Houston Dynamo was semi-finalist, like D.C. United, not finalist, probably they got invited and didn't accept and they came up with that nutty criteria for América.(:/)

The invited teams from the CONCACAF to the Sudamericana depends about the CCC, the winner of the CONCACAF is the only one who doesn't get to play this one the runner-up and the other 2 semi-finalist do, for example Saprissa and D.C. United before, Pachuica however, was an exception this year because they won this the last time and also won the CCC this year. The MLS Cup has no relevance in this.

Fine, but, this makes me wonder why this cup is still called "Sudamericana"?

I know sounds stuoid, they should call it Copa Panamericana or Interamericana

I never really understood this cup. It seems like their criteria for qualification is just all over the place and there isn't any sort of organization what so ever.

There isn't any organization.
This cup is ****.

Out of the 16 teams that are not from Bra/Arg, only 4 qualify???

Well from the southamerican sides it just depends on what each FA considers, and it ends up pretty unbalanced for some, if you see Colombia, Peru and Venezuela sent their 4th and 5th team(the top ones took/will take part in the Libertadores) Uruguay the 3rd and 4th(Similar the matter is that the 3rd went to the play-off but lost so it makes sense too). You may think, but it's alright but then you look Brazil has 8 spots, the champion(fine may as well ignore it) and the other teams from the 6th and below, i don't remember if the 6th took part in the Libertadores but the rest didn't for sure, for example Botafogo is the 12th of Brazil, which is not the point. Or the contrary case the argentine case which sent the top 6 teams, even though some played and will play the Libertadores(I don't know if River and Boca's case depends on the AFA or the CONMEBOL). Seeing the case of the brazilian teams mostly make me think that a second cup may not be needed at al, seeing as like other countries they are almost following the logic that should be behind this cup despite allowing the champion take part in both cups the rest are all different teams,l and evidently the spots hogged by Argentina and Brazil should be given away to oter countries. Ecuador, Paraguay and Bolivia also send first tier, Chile is a different case because they have a "Pre-Sudamericana" which decides the two spots, however it's played between first tier teams, in Paraguay there¡s a Pre-Sudamericana too but just decides 1 spot.

this cup is a total joke

lol boca and river *invited*

:boohoo:

ninobomba;2371722 said:

this cup is a total joke

lol boca and river *invited*

:boohoo:

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Well someone has to keep the mexican teams away from winning again...

..Just Kidding.



Unless the cup changes its name, and more importantly its qualification methods, it will remain nothing more than a good training competition.

lets hope nacional redeems from that awful 2002 final vs san lorenzo, and more recently, the elimination vs america de mexico (2005). if they bring 1 or 2 good players to reinforce the squad, they could do a decent tournament

El Diablo Rojo;2371268 said:

Uruguay the 3rd and 4th(Similar the matter is that the 3rd went to the play-off but lost so it makes sense too).

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No, that's not right. No uruguayan team participated in a play-off.

In Uruguay we have a liguilla played between the top 6 teams of the league to determine which teams (2) accompany the national champion to the Libertadores and which (another 2) play the Sudamericana.

Ruben Sosa;2372432 said:

No, that's not right. No uruguayan team participated in a play-off.

In Uruguay we have a liguilla played between the top 6 teams of the league to determine which teams (2) accompany the national champion to the Libertadores and which (another 2) play the Sudamericana.

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Did, Danubio played with Vélez.

http://www.conmebol.com/competicion...vento=1081&ano=2007&dv=1&flt=2&id=2&slangab=S
http://www.conmebol.com/competicion...vento=1081&ano=2007&dv=1&flt=2&id=8&slangab=S

However CONMEBOL claims that Danubio plays the Sudamericana for finishing third in the liguilla(thought it referred to the league), not for being the champion, which in fact Danubio was the champion last season in Uruguay, but the CONMEBOL considers it was for being third in the liguilla not being the champion which should be the first instance other than the liguilla which defines the other clubs besides the champion. evidently for the CONMEBOL it isn't...

Wow this sure causes confusion...

We're mixing things up, that play-off was for the Libertadores. I was saying no uruguayan team participated in a play-off for qualification for this Sudamericana, because there isn't one. That's what I thought we were talking about.

Danubio plays this Sudamericana for being 3rd in the liguilla, not for being national champions. The national champion in Uruguay only qualifies for the Libertadores, and plays the Liguilla to qualify for the Sudamericana.

I stopped talking this seriously when Boca got invited because they were Boca. It screwed Arsenal, who could have used the money more.

Bobby;2373407 said:

I stopped talking this seriously when Boca got invited because they were Boca. It screwed Arsenal, who could have used the money more.

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I guess Arsenal can get their rematch this year, if they can get rid of San Lorenzo, i wouldn't be surprised if they reached the semi-final on the least.

But yes... Boca gets invited for being Boca, and so does River, which is less than Boca. However i don't know if CONMEBOL gives Argentina 2 spots for the Round of 16 and it's up to AFA how to distribute them, but i believe it's CONMEBOL which puts them there directly.

Ruben Sosa said:

We're mixing things up, that play-off was for the Libertadores. I was saying no uruguayan team participated in a play-off for qualification for this Sudamericana, because there isn't one. That's what I thought we were talking about.

Danubio plays this Sudamericana for being 3rd in the liguilla, not for being national champions. The national champion in Uruguay only qualifies for the Libertadores, and plays the Liguilla to qualify for the Sudamericana.

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So Danubio should've finished 5th in the Liguilla to not play the Sudamericana?

So the first week is gone, here are the scores.

Audax Italiano(CHI) vs. Jorge Wilstermann(BOL) 2-0

Tacuary(PAR) vs. Danubio FC(URU) 1-1

CD Olmedo(ECU) vs. Zamora FC(VEN) 1-0

Real Potosí(BOL) vs. Colo Colo(CHI) 1-1

CD Millonarios(COL) vs. Coronel Bolognesi FC(PER) 0-1

Evidently this doesn't look like a good year for bolivian clubs, and the matches for the 2nd week.

Tuesday 7/8
Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. Libertad(PAR)
Jorge Wilstermann(BOL) vs. Audax Italiano(CHI)

Wednesday 8/8
Lanús(ARG) vs. Estudiantes LP(ARG)

Thursday 9/8
Colo Colo(CHI) vs. Real Potosí(BOL)
Universitario(PER) vs. Atlético Nacional(COL)

Confirmed that for the Round of 16, América will face Pachuca, and D.C. United will play with Chivas.

El Diablo Rojo;2373423 said:

So Danubio should've finished 5th in the Liguilla to not play the Sudamericana?

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Yep, that's right.

League positions at the end of the season only determine which teams participate in the liguilla. This results in Nacional (who were sixth in the 06/07 league with 45pts) and Wanderers (fourth with 53pts, IIRC) being in the Libertadores, while Defensor (third with 59pts) plays the Sudamericana and Peñarol (second with 64pts) doesn't participate in any international competition this season.

So... it's not that it's confusing, it's that uruguayan football makes no sense to begin with.

Well but doing a thing like the liguilla to decide which team goes into each cup makes some sense, the problem could be the tight schedules and that the champion, more likely shouldn't take part of it and directly be sent to the Libertadores.

By the way the scores of the 2nd week.

Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. Libertad(PAR) 2-1

Jorge Wilstermann(BOL) vs. Audax Italiano(CHI) 1-1 (aggr:1-3)

Lanús(ARG) vs. Estudiantes LP(ARG) 2-0

Colo Colo(CHI) vs. Real Potosí(BOL) 3-1 (aggr:4-2)

Universitario(PER) vs. Atlético Nacional(COL) 0-1

So Bolivia is out of the cup already. And the matches of the 3rd week.

Tuesday 14/8
Arsenal FC(ARG) vs. San Lorenzo(ARG)

Wednesday 15/8
Danubio FC(URU) vs. Tacuary(PAR)
Figueirense FC(BRA) vs. São Paulo FC(BRA)
Atletico Paranaense(BRA) vs. Vasco da Gama(BRA)

Thursday 16/8
Goiás EC(BRA) vs. Cruzeiro EC(BRA)
Carabobo FC(VEN) vs. El Nacional(ECU)

Oh well, the qualifying round is over now the real thing will start. And here's the Round of 16.

R1- Lanús(ARG) vs. Vasco da Gama(BRA) - 19/9 & 26/9.
R2- Boca Juniors(ARG) vs. São Paulo FC(BRA) - 19/9 & 26/9.
R3- Botafogo(BRA) vs. River Plate(ARG) - 19/9 & 27/9.
R4- Goiás EC(BRA) vs. Arsenal FC(ARG) - 19/9 & 26/9.
R5- D.C. United(USA) vs. CD Chivas Guadalajara(MEX) - 26/9 & 2/10.
R6- Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. El Nacional(ECU) - 20/9 & 4/10.
R7- CD Millonarios(COL) vs. Colo Colo(CHI) - 25/9 & 4/10.
R8- Pachuca CF(MEX) vs. Club América(MEX) - 25/9 & 3/10.

Peru, Venezuela, Bolivia and Paraguay didn't get any team past the qualifying round this year.

The other rounds program, the exact schedule is yet to be announced, the matches are played on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

Quarter finals - To be played between October 9th and November 1st.

Q1- Winner of R1 vs. Winner of R8
Q2- Winner of R2 vs. Winner of R7
Q3- Winner of R3 vs. Winner of R6
Q4- Winner of R4 vs. Winner of R5

Semi-finals - To be played between November 6th and November 15th.

S1- Winner of Q1 vs. Winner of Q4
S2- Winner of Q2 vs. Winner of Q3

The final will be played between November 28th and December 6th.

And so the matches for this coming week.

Wednesday 19/9
Goiás EC(BRA) vs. Arsenal FC(ARG)
Botafogo(BRA) vs. River Plate(ARG)
Boca Juniors(ARG) vs. São Paulo FC(BRA)
Lanús(ARG) vs. Vasco da Gama(BRA)

Thursday 20/9
Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. El Nacional(ECU)

El Diablo Rojo;2377450 said:

Well but doing a thing like the liguilla to decide which team goes into each cup makes some sense, the problem could be the tight schedules and that the champion, more likely shouldn't take part of it and directly be sent to the Libertadores.

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I've only seen this now, so sorry for not replying.

The national champion (Danubio), does qualify directly to the Libertadores, but not to the Sudamericana. That's why they participate in the liguilla, to qualify for the Sudamericana.

There are plans this season to eliminate the liguilla and qualify teams based on the positions in the league.

I'm certain a liguilla makes sense in theory, or in nations where there's actually a shred of organization, in Uruguay though it's pointless.

Ruben Sosa;2401396 said:

There are plans this season to eliminate the liguilla and qualify teams based on the positions in the league.

I'm certain a liguilla makes sense in theory, or in nations where there's actually a shred of organization, in Uruguay though it's pointless.

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Agreed, more likely in places like Uruguay it's a waste of time seeing the tight schedules of some places.

Goiás EC(BRA) vs. Arsenal FC(ARG) 2-3

Botafogo(BRA) vs. River Plate(ARG) 1-0

Boca Juniors(ARG) vs. São Paulo FC(BRA) 2-1

Lanús(ARG) vs. Vasco da Gama(BRA) 2-0

Defensor Sporting(URU) vs. El Nacional(ECU) 3-0

And the matches of this week.

Tuesday 25/9
CD Millonarios(COL) vs. Colo Colo(CHI)
Pachuca CF(MEX) vs. Club América(MEX)

Wednesday 26/9
Arsenal FC(ARG) vs. Goiás EC(BRA)
São Paulo FC(BRA) vs. Boca Juniors(ARG)
Vasco da Gama(BRA) vs. Lanús(ARG)
D.C. United(USA) vs. CD Chivas Guadalajara(MEX)

Thursday 27/9
River Plate(ARG) vs. Botafogo(BRA)

The second leg of the Argentina-Brazil duels should be interesting seeing the scores of the first leg, none of them is definied, and more or less all of the teams have chances to go through.