I have a question for Muslims

didnt just someone post that religion is a matter of individual? you are stupid

GoHawks4 said:

Is there a specific name for the Islamic law against using drugs and alcohol?

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How long's that thread been there... Anyway...

They are both prohibited in the Qur'an, as well as in the Prophet's Narrations, the only 2 sources of Islamic Law... they are prohibited both specifically (alcohol) and in general terms (drugs = intoxicants)...

Concerning Alcohol:

"O You who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones and (divination by) arrows are an abomination of Satan’s handiwork. Avoid (such abominations) that you may prosper."
The Qur'an - 5:90

Bear in mind that when the term intoxicant is used it also encompasses narcotics, because they to among other things result in the loss of self-control.

Examples of Prophetic Narrations confirming the same meaning:

-"Every intoxicant is khamr (wine) and every intoxicant is haraam (unlawful)."
-"There are three for whom Allah has forbidden paradise, a habitual drunkard, one disobedient to parents, and a careless husband who establishes impurity in his family." "
-"If a habitual drunkard dies, he will meet Allah like the one who worships idols."

From the above narrations, you can clearly see the Prophet and the Islamic view regarding intoxicants. In another Hadith the Prophet has described intoxicants as: -

1. The key to all evils.
2. The head of all errors and lapses.
3. The most terrible of major sins.
4. The mother of all atrocities.
5. The mother of all evils.

These are only a few out of many narrations that speak of the matter... the prohibitation of alcohol consumption is one of the most stressed out issues in islam... the reason is clear: Countless homocides, murders, accidents, child abuse, wife abuse and divorces have occurred as a result of alcohol consumption. A 2002 report by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism links [binge drinking] to at least 1,400 student deaths and 500,000 injuries a year...

Also worth mentioning, in a recent 'fatwa' (a law issued based on islamic principles) issued the last decade, Smoking has been confirmed to be Unlawful in Islam, after its massive alarming health hazards have been well-proven by modern science... read more about the subject here: Smoking is UNLAWFUL in Islam

"And make not your own hands contribute to your destruction."
The Qur'an - 2:195

yeah i tell my friends that smoking is unlawful as well but they just shrug it off

Not only is alcohol consumption forbidden, but any act that would lead to or encourage alcohol consumption... the Prophet says: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day must not sit at table at which khamr (wine/intoxicant) is consumed."

And in another narration, I can't remember its exact words (googling isn't helping either)... touching, pouring, or serving wine/intoxicants is prohibited in Islam. This is one of the highly addressed issues in Islam, due to its drastic effects on an entire society.

Also related to the issue, before Islam, Alcohol consumption was very widely spread within the Arab community. Drinking places were common and writing poetry after drinking was an art of its own... and hence, the prohibitation of Alcohol consumption came gradually in the Qur'an , in order to succeed in uprooting this behavior... It first started by prohibitation of drinking before praying, as in this verse:

"O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say...
(The Qur'an - 4:43)

Then as showed in the previous post, it became a strict and clear prohibitation... it couldn't have been uprooted with an abrupt, sudden change.

Fernandez said:

Can I ask a question? Can Muslims wear alcoholic-based perfumes/deodorants?

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Putting perfume, even alcohol-based is by no means intoxicating, unless it was a mouth-spray, which is Unlawful. Same applies to using Alcohol on skin for medical purposes, or sterilizing procedures. Putting perfume on is a 'mostahabb' or 'better be done' issue in Islam, where Prophet Muhammed says a Man should always smell good for his wife... Prophet Muhammed always used 'musk'.

Shevchenko-[7] said:

didnt just someone post that religion is a matter of individual? you are stupid

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ok now I'll waste 5 minutes of my life trying to explain this for you.. make it worth my time..


religion is a thing that you "believe" ok? .. if you believe, you know that it exists.. if you do not believe, than it does not.. now here's the point... you cannot persuade me to believe that religion does not exists and I cannot persuade you that the religion does exist..

so every individual lives it the way he/she likes..

I believe in islam, but I use alcohol sometimes.. this is my responsibility and I am the one to decide carrying on the consequences of this.. so this is individuality....

but the main point that I would like to say: why do people kill each other in the name of religion!! that is a blow for me, I feel deeply sorry for the both american/british and afghan/iraqi victims of that war... and it is going worse and worse..

now try take a moment to understand my concerns.. then post if necessary..


by the way, yes I am stupid indeed...

Kind of off-topic, but I just wanted to ask how much truth is there in that: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Andrejs said:

Kind of off-topic, but I just wanted to ask how much truth is there in that: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

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O my God.. no truth at all.. these aren't even actual verses. He takes an incomplete one, replaces it with his own imagination of the meaning, then says its an insulting verse. Can it get any more misleading?

Here are respectful sites for the matter:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/womenquransunnah.html
http://shams.za.org/itppaper.htm
http://www.afghan-web.com/articles/womenrights.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrightsbadawi.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shatteringillusions.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensliberation.htm

The Prophet says: "None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully"

Andrejs said:

Kind of off-topic, but I just wanted to ask how much truth is there in that: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

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corrupted


there is a saying of Prophet Muhammed: "Heaven is under the legs of all Mothers"

why doesn't that exist there?


(sorry for my translation of that sentence, hope you understood.)

I'm really pissed off there... where's the respect to religions ??

women in some islamic countries are really second-rate but this is all about a fcuking misunderstanding of them.. and I'm deeply sorry that they are doing this in the name of religion because they are doing wrong.... Islam is really about understanding and tolerance.. it does not underestimate any single individual thing on earth... I feel deeply sad that people like these are representing that religion....

Thanks Knight!

theedor said:

I'm really pissed off there... where's the respect to religions ??

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I think you know that yourself, the ammount of people killed in the name of religion is the main factor. The crusades, jihad, what has been going on in Ireland etc. You can say that it's not what god or allah or whoever wanted, but do people care? If your friend is killed because of religion you don't want to hear about the windy roads of god. Also the conservatism; no condoms, no abortions, no homosexuality, no alcohol etc. more and more people are getting against those things. In my opinion people need to think by themselves and stop searching for the answers to all of the questions from some aged book...

Same as a friend of mine who just graduated after years of exams and studying... The last thing she wants to hear from her parents is 'Post-grad studies'.... even though its definetly the 'right' move, but certain psychological factors make it the least favourable to her... we're all humans. A friend is killed in a terrorist attack, you hear someone say something like 'This is not Islam at all'... well even though he's 'right', its the last thing you want to hear.... you don't care at all about it. But a Muslim would care A LOT to let people know the peaceful, productive nature of life his religion is preaching...

Also any restrictions (talk about restricting ALCOHOL) is for the good of the society. Why do you have 'restricting' traffic rules, red lights and all? For the good of the people, better order in the streets and less accidents. btw condoms, birth control, and legal/medical abortions are allowed, nothing restricting that.

And there was an interesting discussion going on in this thread, showing how 'politics' had to do with the death of the innocent people rather than 'religion'... But at the end of the day, extremism/fundamentalism whether it was political, atheistic, or religious will definetly lead to a devastating outcome.

i don't agree with any muslim belief that is sexist towards women

shows how far back and outdated religion is

Someone posted that in an earlier thread.......seems too far-fetched. Boy.....looks like this threads going downhill as well

Thanks for the explanations guys. I think tolerance would be a lot more common if people talked more about stuff like this.

Vagegast said:

I've missed you, you ****!

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I love the sig. LOVE the sig. :Bow:

Run DMB said:

I love the sig. LOVE the sig. :Bow:

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Long time no see, mate. How are things?

GoHawks4 said:

Long time no see, mate. How are things?

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Never been better. I've been working a lot this summer (50 hours a week), made some good money. I was glad to see you posting here, you didn't post that often when I regulary visited SG. Did you go to the Fire - Milan game? Did any of the Chicagoans here go?

Run DMB said:

Never been better. I've been working a lot this summer (50 hours a week), made some good money. I was glad to see you posting here, you didn't post that often when I regulary visited SG. Did you go to the Fire - Milan game? Did any of the Chicagoans here go?

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I was there.

Horatiu said:

i don't agree with any muslim belief that is sexist towards women

shows how far back and outdated religion is

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Islam is not sexist, it is just seen that Men and Women have different roles but are still equal.