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PES4 stats related with FM2005 characters 1 by 1,IMO

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pubb

Youth Team
Originally posted by Pablo_el
How about

Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Technique >18 and Dribble > 15


1-Touch pass
first touch>17 AND Plays One Twos


I was also thinking how to convert jump. I came up with idea that the range of the attribute will vary depending on players height.

000 - 175 -> max 99
176 - 190 -> max 90
191 - 202 -> max 85
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Good idea!
For anti-dribble, I prefer to 'anticipation+first touch' or 'decision+first touch', because 'first touch' is a 'technique' itself.
And 'technique' has its own role in PES4.
PPMs are too rare for most of players, so it'd better be 'OR', not 'AND'.
 
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Pablo_el

Club Supporter
how about

Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Determination >18 and Dribble > 15


i agree that
1-Touch pass
first touch>17 OR Plays One Twos
 
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Pablo_el

Club Supporter
Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Dribble > 15 and

Balance+Strenght >27 OR Creativity 17

i also have a new proposition for dribbling

Dribbling
dribblings >16 and

flair >20 or technique >17

OR Tries Tricks
 
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pubb

Youth Team
Originally posted by Pablo_el
Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Dribble > 15 and

Balance+Strenght >27 OR Creativity 17

i also have a new proposition for dribbling

Dribbling
dribblings >16 and

flair >20 or technique >17

OR Tries Tricks
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;) You are too strict a coach.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
Position convertion formula (example)
Code: 
#define VALUE   15
CBW:
    "CBW"=FALSE;
    if("sweeper">=VALUE)
        "CBW"=TRUE;
SB:
    "SB"=FALSE;
    if("defender left">=VALUE || "defender right">=VALUE)
        "SB"=FALSE;
    else if("defender left"==0 && "defender right"==0 && "defender central"==0 && "defender">=VALUE && "wing back">=VALUE)
        "SB"=TRUE;
    
SMF:
    "SMF"=FALSE;
    if("midfielder left">=VALUE || "midfielder right">=VALUE)
        "SMF"=TRUE;
    else if("midfielder left"==0 && "midfielder right"==0 && "midfielder central"==0 
                && "midfielder">=VALUE && ("left side">=VALUE || "right side">=VALUE))
        "SMF"=TRUE;
    
WF:
    "WF"=FALSE;
    if("attacking mid left">=VALUE || "attacking mid right">=VALUE)
        "WF"=TRUE;
    else if("attacking mid left"==0 && "attacking mid right"==0 && "attacking mid central"==0
                && "attacking midfielder">=VALUE && ("left side">=VALUE || "right side">=VALUE))
        "WF"=TRUE;
        
first position:
    CANDIDATE="new position" of the highest value;
    if(multi CANDIDATE){
        sweeper>defender>defensive midfielder>midfielder>attacking midfielder>attacking central;
        if(still multi CANDIDATE)
            left,right>central
So Gerrard = {"CMF","SMF"}, "CMF" is his first position.
Le Tallec = {"SMF","OMF","WF","CF"}, "WF" is his first position.
John Welsh = {"DMF","CMF","SMF"}, "DMF" is his first position.
Smicer = {"CMF","SMF","OMF","WF","CF"}, "SMF" is his first position.
C.Ronaldo = {"OMF","WF","CF"}, "WF" is his first position.
Zambrotta = {"SB","SMF","WF"}, "SB" is his first position.
Van Brockhorst = {"SB","DMF","CMF","SMF"}, "SMF" is his first position.
Robben = {"SMF","WF"}, "SMF" is his first position.
Duff = {"WF"}, "WF" is his first positon.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
Constitution:
Code: 
    if("injury proneness">15)
        "Constitution"="C";
    else if("injury proneness">10)
        "Constitution"="B";
    else
        "Constitution"="A";
 
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Pablo_el

Club Supporter
Too many positions given to one player in my opinion


in position calculation i would give not >= but >

and WF is not attacking midfieler but Winger Forward

attacking midfieler is OMF in PES
 
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scoham

Youth Team
A player should have 15 in the new positions for a position to be used in PES. It stops people like Holland and Gerrard having 6 different positions half which they shouldn't have.

The dribbling star should be added for players that have runs with ball down left/right or through centre as a prefered move.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
Originally posted by scoham
A player should have 15 in the new positions for a position to be used in PES. It stops people like Holland and Gerrard having 6 different positions half which they shouldn't have.

The dribbling star should be added for players that have runs with ball down left/right or through centre as a prefered move.
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I checked the position scale again. Agree with 15 being the critical value. And updated in the above post.

For >=15 or >15, look at Kapo in Juventus:
if >=15, then Kapo = {"CMF","SMF","OMF","WF"};
if >15, then Kapo = {"OMF","WF"}
Which will be better for a Juventus fan?

Just wait kschoice to show his opinion. He is of course the master of all.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
I prefered to 'new positions' in convertion. And I test quite a few teams, it's ok with my formula.
In FM2005, there are positions for 'midfielder left' and 'attacking midfielder left'. There is no position for 'wing forward' as in PES.
WF in PES is an attacker in Side and take no part in defense. I refered some fans of CM here. They agree 'attacking midfielder' doesn't go into defense too. So I take for granted that 'attacking midfielder left' and 'attacking midfielder right' are 'WF' in their meaning. And 'SMF' comes from 'midfielder left' and 'midfielder right'.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
1.'post player' convertion formula changed:
strength>16, heading>15, strength+balance+heading>45
I've found almost all of players with 'post player' have a good header. This formula will fix Henry, Rooney's 'post player' bug.

2.'anti-dribbling' changed:
vision>15, dribbling>14
No special reason for choosing 'vision'. That character is very special in CM, but not so useful in my original formular. I've tested some teams. It seems fine.

3.'d-line control' changed:
leadership>17,anticipation+leadership>33
Let 'influence' be more important for a Backline player. And I found SB can have this special ability, such as Carboni of Valencia.

4.'playmaking' changed:
leadership+vision>35
"When a player with 'playmaking' gets the ball, the whole team will be in better formation." It's absolute mental for the team, not for the player with it. Maybe only 'influence/leadership' in CM can take it. Unfortunately, both Zidane(15) and Aimar(13) have too low 'influence' in FM2005. In my formula, Barcelona is the biggest winner. She has Inesta, Albertini and Xavi with 'playmaking'. And Totti, Scholl, Xabi Alonso, Gerrard, Schneider, Poborsky will have it too. I know this setting is not matchable to PES4, but maybe it's more matchable to the meaning of it and more realistic.

5.'outside' changed:
|left foot - right foot|>10, flair>15
Then there'll be more players getting it. But it's still fewer than original settings. PPM in CM is much fewer. Maybe we can keep the original settings just like 'line positioning','side' and 'center'.

I've changed some 'famous' team by hand. It works good.
 
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Pablo_el

Club Supporter
3.'d-line control' changed: leadership>17,anticipation+leadership>33 Let 'influence' be more important for a Backline player. And I found SB can have this special ability, such as Carboni of Valencia.
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from definition SB cant have it - it means the ability to lead defense. Can a SB lead defense?
 
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pubb

Youth Team
I think so too before I see Carboni in Valencia has it in the original settings. He's a SB only player in game.
If most agree SB can't lead offside trap, maybe it's a KONAMI's bug.
 
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pubb

Youth Team
some SA tweaked:
1.'passing' now have no 'anticipation' influenced. 'anticipation' has been used for 'response' caculation.
2.'penalty stopper' now use 'reflexes+decisions', since 'reflexes' not been used as 'response' in current EditPES4OptionFile. And I think it is better.
3.'direct GK kick' now add 'kicking>16' as an another condition. Then Dida, Canizares will have.
 
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