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PES4 stats related with FM2005 characters 1 by 1,IMO

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
Sliding tackle - You will agree that too many Juve players have sliding. Cannavaro should but not Zebina or Tachinardi. Maybe tackling+bravery>36? Anyway Roberto Carlos and Gattuso should have for sure ;)


1- touch pass in pes applies only to passes. Many strikers has it beacause it improves 1-2 pass

the rest looks fine but the true worth of this will show when all good/known players are converted...
 

pubb

Youth Team
It's a huge load for me to set the special abilities for so many players handly. I sincerely hope kschoice will notice the threads and patch his well-known EditPES4OptionFile.

Special abilities are the briliant part in PES4. They affect the gameplay in some untold but effective way. Most of them can't be set simply according to CM's characters, but there are a few non-technical characters in CM that are very important to the gameplay but unable to be converted to PES clearly. I think we can make full use of the characters to 'simulate' the special abilities in some extent. My solution is based on the thought and surely it's not exactly correct, but maybe it's more playable than bunches of stars.

movement: positioning, reaction
relative-mental, important for attacker to be good position. also contribute to 'offensive' stat.

vision: playmaking, passing
relative-mental, creative for helping others.

anticipation: positioning, d-line control, penalty stopper
relative-mental, helping himself, both attackers and defensers. both 'offensive' and 'defensive'.

decisions: passing, 1-1 scoring, penalty stopper
relative-mental, quick thought, doing right thing at right time.

positioning: <no sa>
relative-mental, key for 'defensive' for defensers.

flair: dribbling, anti-dribbling, bbf, scoring, outside
absolute-mental, critical character for himself.

teamwork: <no sa>
absolute-mental, be helpful for the whole team. mapped to 'team work' stat.

work rate: <no sa>
absolute-mental, 'how hard he works in match'. hard to mapped to any stat or special ability. maybe it can be a factor for all stats and sa caculation.

aggression: reaction
absolute-mental, main factor for 'aggression' stat.

bravery: sliding tackle
absolute-mental, tricky for 'sliding tackle' since he need bravery to go down the ground.

composure,determination,concentration,consistency: <no sa>
absolute-mental, contributable for stat listed above.

dirtiness,important matches: <no sa>
absolute-mental, hard to map.

leadership: playmaking, d-line control
absolute-mental, making it factors for the two important and rare special abilities.

balance,strength: post player
absolute-physical, for post player to be unbeatable.

There are still three special abilities in PES not easy to set: Line positioning, side, center. 'Line positioning' are very rare in PES. Maybe the according PPM can be used here. side and center have no exact opponent in CM. But that nobody has it is better than 'everybody has it' in my own opinion. Maybe we can keep the original settings in PES.
 

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
vision: playmaking, passing relative-mental, creative for helping others.
I think that passing is strictly technical and playmaking stritcly mental but i can be wrong

decisions: passing, 1-1 scoring, penalty stopper relative-mental, quick thought, doing right thing at right time.
i would rather see playmaking here than passing...

balance,strength: post player absolute-physical, for post player to be unbeatable.
post player is not only physical - it is also ability to help creating play in attack for midfielders. Best RL example - Jan Koller.

There are still three special abilities in PES not easy to set: Line positioning, side, center. 'Line positioning' are very rare in PES. Maybe the according PPM can be used here. side and center have no exact opponent in CM. But that nobody has it is better than 'everybody has it' in my own opinion. Maybe we can keep the original settings in PES.

Good idea.
 

kschoice

Youth Team
Very well, now if you were kind enough to translate your achievements in conversion formulas, I might give them a try in a future version of my editor.
 

scoham

Youth Team
Just so people know, positioning is a defensive attribute in CM/FM, off the ball (sometimes called movement) is the attacking version.
 

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
Originally posted by scoham
Just so people know, positioning is a defensive attribute in CM/FM, off the ball (sometimes called movement) is the attacking version.

so this is wrong
Positioning (MD,FW)movement>17 AND anticipation>15

Positioning in PES is strictly attacking. So it should be sth like

Positioning (MD,FW)off the ball>17 AND anticipation>15

And movement should be included in defense
 

pubb

Youth Team
Originally posted by Pablo_el
so this is wrong


Positioning in PES is strictly attacking. So it should be sth like

Positioning (MD,FW)off the ball>17 AND anticipation>15

And movement should be included in defense

oo...Movement and off-the-ball are the same...
 

pubb

Youth Team
Originally posted by kschoice
Very well, now if you were kind enough to translate your achievements in conversion formulas, I might give them a try in a future version of my editor.

I've updated the conversion for the special abilities as the formulas at the first post of the thread.
And the normal stat conversion is just playable. I've tried some times, and realized that's a very difficult task. So I quit for it and respect your work more than ever.

Maybe you could patch the special abilities conversion and the 'constitution' before the perfect formulas come.
 

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
Originally posted by pubb
Maybe you could patch the special abilities conversion and the 'constitution' before the perfect formulas come.
balance and jump need changes too. Or maybe kschoice would add option not to convert certain stats ?

the special abilities which pubb created are really good though i think that Anti-dribble needs to be rethought ;)
 

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
I dont know for sure but i have a theory.

"can guard the ball with tricky dribbling" - quotation from edit mode

so it means the certain type of dribble - when player has ball really close to him and it is very hard to take it away from him. Look at Zidane - he has only anti dribble and he is one of the best driblers in the world!

On 280 players that have Dribbling* and Anti-dribble* abt 10 have both stars. So it has to be very special.
 

scoham

Youth Team
Originally posted by Frostwolf
Anti-Dribble is how well a defender recognises and doesn't fall for an attacking player's dribbling.

It can't be

"can guard the ball with tricky dribbling" - quotation from edit mode

I've seen that aswell and I doubt Zidane would have it if it meant what you said.
 

pubb

Youth Team
Then any suggestion for anti-dribbling convertion formula?
An approximate solution is better than remaining the original settings.
 

Pablo_el

Club Supporter
How about

Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Technique >18 and Dribble > 15


1-Touch pass
first touch>17 AND Plays One Twos


I was also thinking how to convert jump. I came up with idea that the range of the attribute will vary depending on players height.

000 - 175 -> max 99
176 - 190 -> max 90
191 - 202 -> max 85
 


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