Muslim Flag-burners in London.

Well, this whole thing probably never would've happened if Britain backed down from the War on 'Terror'. But no, Tony wants to stick with Anglo-US relations and thusly isolate him from Europe. Clever.

Well, this whole thing probably never would've happened if Britain backed down from the War on 'Terror'. But no, Tony wants to stick with Anglo-US relations and thusly isolate him from Europe. Clever.

Originally posted by hermolt
Oh sure, deportation is totally in order for burning a flag. Anyone ever heard of the right to free speech --> the right to protest --> the right to burn whomever's flag you choose wherever you choose. To arrest/deport/bureaucratically vilify these people, no matter how vile one might think they are, would be to degrade Britain's democracy.

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Don't you know that there are "rules" that govern free speech? Like, it's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater because it causes panic and people could get hurt. If you know who the people are that the Sun story is talking about, these people fit under that category. These people are known to incite young muslims to perpetrate acts of violence against non muslims. The shoe bomber Richard Ried came from that mosque, as well as a bunch of other people just arrested in Britain.

Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. These people who are burning the flag in that story are bastards, and have every reason to be deported... And I guarantee you that 70 percent or more of the British public agrees.

Originally posted by Shindig
Well, this whole thing probably never would've happened if Britain backed down from the War on 'Terror'. But no, Tony wants to stick with Anglo-US relations and thusly isolate him from Europe. Clever.

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Yeah, and the US asked for the World Trade Center to be destroyed by flying airplanes... Your logic is flawed because these Muslim terrorists, yes that's what they are, would be bombing even if there wasn't a war on terror.

No, what I'm saying is that Al-Queada said they would attack the countries of the coalition. As soon as Tony marched people into Iraq, we were on that list. Without due reason, he follows Bush and doctors a document claiming Saddam could blow us up with 45 minutes.

Originally posted by Shindig
No, what I'm saying is that Al-Queada said they would attack the countries of the coalition. As soon as Tony marched people into Iraq, we were on that list. Without due reason, he follows Bush and doctors a document claiming Saddam could blow us up with 45 minutes.

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Um... weren't the Brits in Afghanistan first? And please don't think that Al Queda wouldn't have bombed Britain eventually anyway. Their war isn't just against the US, it's against the world. You have fanatical Muslims in Britain who want to murder people. The hook guy is one of them, and he should be deported, or better yet, just kill the bastard.

When people start realizing that terrorists aren't just the enemy of the US, maybe we can stamp this problem out.

Fair enough. If they despise the country they live in, they should be deported. Might make them hate us more but **** 'em.

they r amost everywhere.

Originally posted by Shindig
No, what I'm saying is that Al-Queada said they would attack the countries of the coalition. As soon as Tony marched people into Iraq, we were on that list. Without due reason, he follows Bush and doctors a document claiming Saddam could blow us up with 45 minutes.

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Al Qaeda is looking to bomb nations that were in the coalition and nations that aren't. It doesn't matter if you fight them or not, they are still going to attack you. Leaving them alone isn't going to do anything because they still want to kill innocents. Al Qaeda is against Western Culture and they don't just hate the USA and the UK, they hate nations like Canada and Germany as well. The only way to get rid of terrorism is to fight it.

Originally posted by Shindig
Fair enough. If they despise the country they live in, they should be deported. Might make them hate us more but **** 'em.

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I have no interest in making people like "us" that already hate us. This guy who lives in Britain is a complete waste of air. The thing is, they already hate us. At least if you get them out of the country they can't indoctrinate young impressionable Muslims to go kill people in their own country.

I would like to withdraw myself form this thread from this very moment. After reading it............... Some people out there, tut tut tut, tsk tsk tsk.

why the hell dont someone go down there and smash that hook handed arabs face in, he claims benefits from the british peoples taxes and then preaches against them. The only reason he's here is to cause trouble. There's proof to link him with recruiting terrorist so why isn't he dead already. Its enough to turn you racist, f*cking dirty sh*thead. He should be lynched.

http://www.natfront.com/

People who have nothing to celebrate can only try to desecrate.

Poor fools. Go make your homes a better place and stop sucking the teet of western civilization.

Originally posted by shokz
http://www.natfront.com/

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The level of discourse in this thread is, for the most part, unbelievably childish. Whats the point in even bothering with most of you imbeciles. You point the finger at the flagburners and get all high and mighty and offended because of their hatred, and then all you manage to come up with is even more hate. Yeah, nice one guys, once again the short route to thinking wins again .

Originally posted by Elder
Don't you know that there are "rules" that govern free speech? Like, it's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater because it causes panic and people could get hurt. If you know who the people are that the Sun story is talking about, these people fit under that category. These people are known to incite young muslims to perpetrate acts of violence against non muslims. The shoe bomber Richard Ried came from that mosque, as well as a bunch of other people just arrested in Britain.

Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. These people who are burning the flag in that story are bastards, and have every reason to be deported... And I guarantee you that 70 percent or more of the British public agrees.

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Of course I realise that there are policies regarding free speech, but I don't see how yelling 'fire' in a corwded theater is analogous with political protest. Just because these people are from a particularly notorious mosque, does that preclude them from their right to free speech?

As for these people being bastards - why? What are the reasons for them being deported? And I guarantee you that you plucked that figure from your arse, and even if 99% of the British population agreed, it doesn't make it legally or morally right.l

Originally posted by hermolt
Of course I realise that there are policies regarding free speech, but I don't see how yelling 'fire' in a corwded theater is analogous with political protest. Just because these people are from a particularly notorious mosque, does that preclude them from their right to free speech?

As for these people being bastards - why? What are the reasons for them being deported? And I guarantee you that you plucked that figure from your arse, and even if 99% of the British population agreed, it doesn't make it legally or morally right.l

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The right to free speech doesn't mean you are allowed to spew hatred and advocate killing people in the name of your Religion. People who incite violence are just as guilty as those who perpetrate it. The topic of this thread is this certain group of peopl burning the flag in "political protest." This hooked man should be happy to live in Britian where they don't deport him back to Jordan or wherever it is where he would be put to death for past crimes.

As for the notorious mosque, it should be shut down and an investigation should be forthcoming on what acitivties take place there. Several people have been arrested as part of terrorist plots to kill people, and richard Reid, the idiotic shoe bomber also came from that mosque. Free speech has limits...

I did pluck the figure out of my ass, but I can bet you that it's even higher than 70 percent. What's legally and morally right is such a stupid argument in this case. Especially when the person you are defending advocates the killing of innocent people in western countries.

You really look silly defending such scum.

Ultras against terrorist would be nice to see some ultras beating the **** out of protesters like these in the streets

Hey everybody..
I am not supporting those flag-burners, here.. and I am not even remotely interested in politics.. It's just that it's sooo easy for us to judge people and sentence them to idiocy, when we're relaxing in our chairs in front of our luxurious computers, in our air-conditioned room. The easiest thing, under such facilitated circumstances, is to recognize this man or that one as an idiot who's simply a disgrace to humanity.. just as long as we know the charge won't be thrown back at us.. But, how much time do we take to think about the reasons that made that guy do that action that pissed us off? If we are pissed off for a couple of minutes.. could it be that this guy had his life totally ruined for a lifetime? Could it be that he lost the ones he loved? Maybe his wife got raped in front of his eyes? Sounds improbable? Well, maybe he watched his father's head being blown off? Not realisitc? Well.. could it be that his child was made handicapped in front of his helpless eyes? Maybe this cry of anger.. this burning flag is his only way to protest and express his pain and feeling of oppression? What would make a man whose religion teaches him peace, love, compassion and calmness (a religion like Islam), turn into such a raging figure.. what? Do we ever take the time to think of the motives, before we sentence people to death with our words and tongues? All the assaults that I mentioned before, happen every day in occupied muslims lands, all over the world... Starting with Palestine, to Iraq and tens of other places.. And if this man wasn't directly subjected to such an experience.. maybe his brother, sister, friend or fellow-human was subjected to it..

BUT: we still have the right to simple, easily.. call him an idiot!

Have a magnificent day..

Originally posted by king
they r amost everywhere.

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Yea man... Every muslim is an undercover terrorist.

That neighbor down the street from you... yep, him too.