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  • #46
    Originally posted by Azrael View Post
    There's a pretty big gap between being shit and being great. The question isn't whether Pep might be shit but if he might not be great.
    Every other "great" manager has had failures with world beating squads. Pep has never had a bad season.

    But really, it's his player development both technically and mentally that makes Pep so great, not his success on the pitch. As pathetic as it is, the state of modern football is such that Boateng can tell Pep on his first day that he never learned how to be a defender tactically aside from marking his man and holding the offside line. Anyone willing to work under Pep becomes an outstanding player, but Pep demands 100% dedication and running, which is why he falls out with high profile players like Zlatan at times.

    Hell, Rafinha, RAFINHA, is a world class player right now. Certainly a top 10 right back in the world for me. That's not because of his time at Genoa.
    Last edited by Nimreitz; 25-07-2016, 02:28:PM.

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    • #47
      None of that addresses the issues that are brought up against him. This is similar to Messi with Argentina. There are millions of reasons to consider him the best ever but until certain accomplishments are had there will always be a relatively legitimate asterisk next to his name. Like Hall of Famers who never win the big competitions in their field.

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      • #48
        Except Pep has won everything. If you're waiting for him to take over Shrewsbury Town you may as well keep waiting. He did manage one season in the lower leagues. He achieved promotion.

        Pep consistently has made average players into great players over his short managerial career. I have no doubt that he would run roughshod over the lower divisions where he is elevating his team's level of play while the rest of the managers just roll out balls and explain their tactics by writing an XI on the white board.
        Last edited by Nimreitz; 25-07-2016, 07:25:PM.

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        • #49
          You're exagerrating. We do not mean teams like Shrewsbury town. We are talking about teams like Arsenal, Tottenham, Shalke or Atletico Madrid. I consider Simeone's achievement much higher than what Pep has ever done.
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          • #50
            It's not higher, it's different. I would like to see Pep do it though.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by nady View Post
              You're exagerrating. We do not mean teams like Shrewsbury town. We are talking about teams like Arsenal, Tottenham, Shalke or Atletico Madrid. I consider Simeone's achievement much higher than what Pep has ever done.
              Dude Pep won six trophies in one year.

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              • #52
                Winning the league in a league which has Real Madrid and Barcelona and consistently challenging for the title with Atletico is more difficult, which is why I appreciate Simeone's achievement more than Josep.
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                • #53
                  Then you are retarded, but we already knew that

                  Btw, Pep beat Utd 2-0 in CL final with Puyol RB, Yaya CB and Sylvinho LB. Iniesta also had a bad injury and shouldn't have played.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by nady View Post
                    Winning the league in a league which has Real Madrid and Barcelona and consistently challenging for the title with Atletico is more difficult, which is why I appreciate Simeone's achievement more than Josep.
                    Stop talking about real madrid like recently they won more leagues than Atlet

                    . Since Pep era its 6 Barça, 1 Atleti and 1 Madrid.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Xaviesta View Post
                      Then you are retarded, but we already knew that

                      Btw, Pep beat Utd 2-0 in CL final with Puyol RB, Yaya CB and Sylvinho LB. Iniesta also had a bad injury and shouldn't have played.
                      You're stupid and immature. Instead of making an argument you repeatedly say "you're retarded". Either you are an adult with very low IQ or you are very immature or you are a 12 year old.

                      Man U has nothing to do in this argument you dumb piece of shit.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Arnau View Post
                        Stop talking about real madrid like recently they won more leagues than Atlet

                        . Since Pep era its 6 Barça, 1 Atleti and 1 Madrid.
                        Rephrase it sorry you're not clear enough.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by nady View Post
                          You're exagerrating. We do not mean teams like Shrewsbury town. We are talking about teams like Arsenal, Tottenham, Shalke or Atletico Madrid. I consider Simeone's achievement much higher than what Pep has ever done.
                          Pep would win the league with Arsenal in his first season, I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Also, Arsenal aren't a shit club, I don't know why you're lumping them in with these other famous non-winners. Atletico are a little different because they have a history of being occasionally good, like in the early/mid-90s, but the last time Tottenham won the league was 1961, and for Schalke it was 1958. Arsenal were invincible in 2004, Wenger has other league titles, and the club has a consistent history of success.

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                          • #58
                            Guardiola time at home club Barcelona was very successful but at first 'out of comfort zone' club Bayern not so much - jury is still out
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Nimreitz View Post
                              Pep would win the league with Arsenal in his first season, I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Also, Arsenal aren't a shit club, I don't know why you're lumping them in with these other famous non-winners. Atletico are a little different because they have a history of being occasionally good, like in the early/mid-90s, but the last time Tottenham won the league was 1961, and for Schalke it was 1958. Arsenal were invincible in 2004, Wenger has other league titles, and the club has a consistent history of success.
                              You can't guarantee he would win the league. He has not proved it yet. He has won the league with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Lewandowski, Robben, Ribery. World beaters. The player that comes closest to this group of players in Arsenal is Ozil. No one else. I'm not saying he would not be successful there, but he has not shown he is capable of bringing a team that is 3rd or 4th best team in the league to the top.
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                              • #60
                                Out of interest, who are the managers you guys rank the highest?

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